Drink up jackasses, bring the noise. This is the the death before dishonor shit they always preach, well they’ve all been dishonored, now for the …

  • BassTurd@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    Malice was a bad word choice. I should have said demonizing or vilifying. Nazism is an actual ideology, and people that follow that are Nazis. Calling a Nazi a Nazi isn’t vilifying them, it’s identifying them as what they are. Opposed to something like ‘woke’ which conservatives use to demonize people who’s ideology is about helping people and equal rights. It’s the intent in how the label is used.

    Nazis are bad. Any disagreement on that and there’s no further discussion to be had. Someone labeled as woke is not bad, but the term is used in a way to make them the enemy.

    A person from Europe is a European. A person that engages in philanthropy is a philanthropist. A person that murders someone is a murderer. Labels identify those people and serve a purpose. I don’t call people Nazis just as an insult to them, I do it because their views and actions identify them as Nazis. That label carries a negative connotation, because sane people know that Nazis are bad.

    So I guess do I call them Nazis with malice? Maybe, but it’s because they objectively are Nazis and Nazis are bad, so any referral of this types of people with definitely have malice to it. Vilifying someone as woke because they want kids to be able to eat is propaganda intended to demonize them.

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      7 hours ago

      I’m not defending Nazis and I think you can see that. My take is that its harmful to label and then use that label to dehumanize a group of people. That type of behavior brings a witch hunt in the best case and genocide in the worst.

      Were some people “objectively” witches during the Salem witch hunts? Were others “objectively” communist during the Red Scare? Many victims of the holocaust were objectively Jews.

      I can see where you’re coming from and understand why you feel that way: bigotry damages the world. We don’t have to agree that calling people Nazis dehumanizes them and that dehumanizing people is harmful, that’s fine. Peace be with you.

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        5 hours ago

        My take is that its harmful to label and then use that label to dehumanize a group of people.

        This we agree on and is really the crux of what I’m saying. I’m not using the term Nazi to dehumanize people, I’m labelling people as Nazis because they align with that ideology. It just also happens that being a Nazi is a bad thing. With your other examples, nobody was a witch, yes there were communists and Jews and bad people used those labels to demonize them even though they weren’t bad because of those traits (there are certainly bad communists and Jews). If Hitler just said, “they’re Jews” but didn’t then vilify them, then the label isn’t bad or wrong, it was the intent behind it’s use.