I keep hearing people say that the far-left is significantly less organised, more fragmented than the far-right. Why is that? (And to be clear: I’m asking about the far-left, not just the left in general (though they may be linked)
I keep hearing people say that the far-left is significantly less organised, more fragmented than the far-right. Why is that? (And to be clear: I’m asking about the far-left, not just the left in general (though they may be linked)
No, I’m not excluded. I just don’t want to march for an unrelated cause that people smuggle in which I don’t support. They wouldn’t tolerate me waving an Israeli flag there either, nor should they.
One of these nations is the victim of genocide right now, the other one is commiting it.
An Israel flag is similarly not appreciated like a russian or american flag would be. When the Ukraine war started, a lot of people also brought ukraine flags to unrelated protests.
It is also not a fully unrelated cause, as the palestine flag also stands for an oppressed group like the pride flag. By joining the march you are protesting against oppression, so it isn’t that far off.
If you are against one kind of oppression but not against another, you aren’t really against oppression.
Which circles back to my original point: simply being gay is no longer good enough.
Not really, because you are actively deciding to take a stance on the palestine flags. You can just take part in the pride parade without doing that. Nobody requires you to do much more.
You don’t have to endorse anything. You just have to accept that other people are fighting some other fights additionally.
It is your personal view that specific people don’t belong at pride. Nobody thinks you specifically shouldn’t be there. You don’t need to participate in other topics. You are making up requirements that don’t exist.
It’s great to be “just” gay and go to pride. But you have to be okay with other people also being there, that might want to fight other oppression as well.
No but presence is read as assent. I wouldn’t join a right-leaning march if people were flying Nazi flags there either. It doesn’t matter that I don’t personally support them. By being there I effectively do.
And I’m not equating a Nazi flag to a Palestinian flag. It’s just a provocative example to highlight my point.
There is always some more extreme people at marches, so at a leftist march you are very likely to see other people fighting for more causes.
You don’t need to share their viewpoint, but you should be able to tolerate their existance as they are also fighting oppression and thus sharing similar goals as you are.
Do you disagree that the palestinians are fighting against oppression as well?
People in Palestine don’t have the ability to express themselves at all so their flag isn’t extremely misplaced at pride.
Once again, you don’t need to be more than supportive of the LGBTQ community to participate in pride. But you should be comfortable with seeing other leftists at these parades, as the fight for freedom from oppression is one of the main themes of leftism.
What is leftism if not the global fight against oppression?
I don’t know what else I can say to make my view clearer. There are people in those events that I don’t want to be associated with. If they would only focus on the pride thing and keep the rest of it to themselves, then I could choose to not care about it but they don’t and thus I wish to not partake.
Then you are quite opportunistic.
I understand your point but I disagree with the premise of it. There is a very famous quote by Martin Niemöller called “First They Came”, which describes very well why I disagree with you. You can’t just fight against the oppression you disagree with.
The fight for a free palestine is just as important as the fight for LGBTQ+ rights.
He just doesn’t want his cause being co-opted by another. It’s dishonest.