I’ve created !episcopalian@lemmy.ml for discussion around The Episcopal Church, Anglicanism, liturgy, and parish life.

Whether you pray the Daily Office, have questions about the Book of Common Prayer and Episcopal theology, or are just looking for an affirming religious community on Lemmy, you’re welcome to join us there.

This community is not directly affiliated with The Episcopal Church or any Diocese or Parish

  • the_fuckler@nord.pubEnglish
    62·
    3 days ago

    Maybe this is on me for engaging to the extent I did, then. I definitely had set out to have a conversation about how religious groups should be more welcome on Lemmy.

    I’ll consider what you’re saying about it being a choice that shouldn’t be given the same graces as statuses given through birth. There’s something developing there, but I’m going to have to reflect on that for a while.

    But you should consider how on one part of your argument you’re saying women are being compelled to wear their garb and then concluding that belonging to religious frameworks is strictly a choice. This is walking right past their autonomy in a very selectively invalidating kind of way. Though I’m going to try to just take the merits of what you’re saying and leave the rest.

    • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
      5·
      3 days ago

      Yes, unfortunately this isn’t a simply clear binary. Religion is a powerful, coercive force so religious will is heavily pushed on people, especially people from certain communities. We shouldn’t be blind to that, and should extend some sympathy and understanding for that reason. But observation is ultimately still a choice, albeit a heavily coerced one. In the same way we consider such conditions when looking at criminal-victims (criminals who are themselves a victim of their systems) we need to maintain similar consideration for these religious people.

      This is a difficult issue, but difficulty is not excuse for sloppy intellectualism. We must strive to hold the complex, nuanced take for our complex, nuanced reality. Which I feel my stance has reflected, although I certainly concede I am fallible and my opinion is always open to further consideration, if that’s important to you to hear.