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Do episcopals make claims of a supernatural sort in opposition to confirmed facts and consensus reality? Yes? Then they’re part of the problem.
Have you ever actually been to an Episcopal Church? It’s laughably obvious you haven’t. Episcopalians believe in science, I believe in science, also having a relationship with spirituality isn’t a sin.
Good of you to show up and talk shit about… one of the many things I mentioned. Well done. Religion is still cancer on society.
At least from my instance this is the only direct claim you’ve made?
My first comment contains 4 criteria. You have addressed one, and just going “nuh uh” doesn’t really count.
Unless something is fucked with my instance (and my alt that I checked to make sure on Lemmy.zip) I don’t see 4 distinct criteria? Your initial comment was “fuck religion” with no criterion. The comment this chain is off of asks if the Episcopal church makes supernatural claims that go against facts and reality, which is one claim that was responded to.
I can’t find the other 3 criteria unless there’s some form of pedantics I’m not catching.
In terms of the one claim that was addressed with a simple “episcopals follow science” is an adequate answer in my eyes from alders razor. You claimed without any evidence that the church doesn’t believe in fact, then OP responded saying that members of the church tend to follow science and that spirituality on its own isn’t wrong as anecdotal evidence. Its basically nuh uh because no further evidence is needed to refute no evidence, similar to saying no if you claimed democrats ate babies.
You say they follow science, but then do they hold that biblical miracles happened? Did Jesus literally turn water into wine? Did he literally walk on water?
The answer is yes, these are Episcopal doctrines. There’s some allowance for individuals to believe as they wish about miracles, but the claim of the religion is that they happened literally as described in scripture. So you can say they “follow science” but that doesn’t really square with claims of supernatural intervention, and the complete lack of any empirical evidence to back up any miracles having ever happened in all of recorded history.
If you claimed democrats ate babies, I’d ask you for proof. There is no proof whatsoever of supernatural intervention in the workings of the universe, and let me tell you: according to scripture, God spoke the universe into existence. If he were to reach in and fuck around with those workings any time, that would be a violation of his own word, which scripture holds to be impossible for him to do. Any Abrahamic religion that makes supernatural claims is, by its own nature, self-contradictory and immediately invalid.
I won’t bother going over the other criteria (which, again, are right there in my initial comment, listed out with question marks after them) because every single churchgoing sect of Christianity violates this one simple requirement: to not lead people right back into spiritual ignorance with religious nonsense.
Edit: Okay, I double checked and the criteria are in my first reply, not first comment. Apologies for the confusion; I was looking at context view. Here they are anyway: Do Episcopals make claims of a supernatural sort in opposition to confirmed facts and consensus reality? Do they have a hierarchical structure? Do they have positions of trust and/or authority? Do they carry out superstitious rituals?