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Ah classic Riot games, investing all the money in anti-cheat while their launcher lacks basic functions like “download throttling”.
No idea how Steam keeps winning…
This is so dumb. as if there was no reasonable way to detect cheating without these super invasive anti-cheat monstrocities.
Send it to me, I consider a processor incapable of playing Valorant to be a free upgrade
I would be very interested to know how they are able to identify a specific CPU. The article speculates but does not answer this question.
The fact that this is even possible is a security nightmare.
OK, I’ve done a bit more digging and pieced it together. Acknowledgement to @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world for prompting me to try (again) to find a command that might do it among other things.
IMO, this sort of information shouldn’t be in processors in the first place, but apparently it is there and needs admin/root access to, well, access it.
… and the game in question requires kernel-level anti-cheat, so of course, it has the necessary access.
The command for Linux is
sudo dmidecode -t processor, which dumps a lot of info including an ID field, which is supposedly the CPU’s specific identifier. It can begrepped for or otherwise filtered out.My own Ryzen gives 8 hexadecimal pairs, so it’s a 64-bit value.
I would not know that that was unique to my specific individual processor if I had not been told, but I’ll assume that at least part of it is not unique between Ryzens of the same calibre. (I won’t be posting any of it for comparison, for obvious reasons.)
So the upshot is, if you don’t want to be identified right down to your CPU, don’t run programs as root if there’s any chance of them phoning home.
Running proprietary programs as root is my definition of hell, especially when it’s something frivolous like a game
You can extract the chip’s serial number in software trivially. In Windows, from a commandline:
wmic cpu get pricessoridI’m positive you can do the same with some Linux command, and failing that certainly with basically every vaguely modern benchmarking tool. Same deal with hard drives and probably also video cards. My BIOS/UEFI even enumerates all my connected hard drive serial numbers on screen if I interrupt its graphical boot screen.
Given that the anti-cheat schemes these competitive games are literal rootkits, I don’t think gathering the user’s hardware serial numbers in order to attempt identify them is much of a stretch.
You at least could in the past, I haven’t had to do it in a while. Seems like the command would just be “dmidecode”, with grep if you’re looking to automate it
This has been a thing for decades
Either I knew and forgot, or misunderstood it as CPU family identification whenever I’ve come across it. Denial is also a possibility. We’ll see if I remember this in a month or two.
I wonder if Riot would provide any info on the ban status of a certain component when given its ID…
They would not.
Anyone doing anti-cheat stuff tries to keep it as secret as possible, so that the cheaters have a more difficult time working around it.
It sounds like at least one cheater already figured it out. Just swap the chips. Then sell the old one used and pass the problem onto someone else.
From the article, it tracks and blacklists other major system components too, so you would essentially have to replace most of your system. Probably the entire thing, since a single leftover bad component would lead to your entire new system being added to the blacklist.
That’s a whole lot of bullshit just to start a game. Pass.
Happened to a coworker with CoD 2019+ with a Facebook marketplace rig. Was also not being smart, and after he got his account banned and not realizing what was going on, he got his brother to log into his account as a sort of test, and also got that account banned.
Dog shit AI slop games anyway
I just quit gaming. I refuse to be a beta. I don’t give a fuck no more. After Holocaust 2.0 these types of things bring me no joy. Grow up
Holocaust 2.0?
Also, I use one criteria for defining an adult:
“An adult is a person who understands when it is apropriate to be childish”
Just telling others to “Grow up” means that you have a lot of growing up to do yourself.
Meanwhile I play(ed) on a VM and would frequently have to fight with support over: no, fuck you - unban me. Virtual hardware isn’t a valid reason to ban every few months. It worked. It was bothersome - so I quit playing. Ample free time for games that weren’t user hostile.
Wow, that sucks. I don’t even know if you could get your money back for the CPU in that case, as the seller could just claim it wasn’t him. Doesn’t sound like Riot is being that cooperative in such cases either.
HWID bans usually involve a much larger fingerprint of the system hardware. Riot would have to really big assholes not to revert the ban, if they were to snapshot the rest of his system and see that only the CPU was part of the original ban.
Riot would have to be really big assholes not to revert the ban,
So, yeah, that’s not getting reverted.
What’s wrong with this website. I don’t see the button “reject”. I’m not gonna accept whatever that is just to read this.
uBlock is your friend.
I finally found it, it’s like 300 pages of individual rejections you need to go. Hard pass.
The odds of this happening are so low, but at the same inevitable.
Funny. Sucks for the buyer.
Sounds like FUD… I want to see it confirmed by someone reputable with an explanation before believing it.
If they are banning on a single piece of hardware such as a single CPU, then they are morons.
I mean, they are morons.
not op but surely Riot isn’t only looking at CPUs for hardware bans? That leads to all kinda of funky stuff like… well, this. Usually fingerprinting via hardware is a more complete package no?
What about this story to you is in any way implausible?
Their fingerprinting is flawed if this story is true. If I take someone else’s CPU and drop it into what is otherwise different hardware then the fingerprint should absolutely change. If it doesn’t then their fingerprinting is broken and this is going to happen whether any particular CPU has been banned or not.
It seems far more plausible that someone got themselves banned and they’re lying to try to get out of it.
Fingerprinting that is that hyperspecific is the one that’s actually flawed. If you could circumvent a hardware ban by rearranging your RAM sticks, it wouldn’t be much good.
As it is, the CPU is the one most stable, expensive, and difficult piece to replace, so it makes sense to ban on that alone.
But, I do agree that cheaters are really slimy fuckers, so what you’re saying is certainly possible. I remember a kid that had his grandmother bring his computer into the shop to see we could evade his hw ban, talked his grandmother into agrreing to buy him a new GPU right in front of us before we turned him down flat.
In this case they even had a completely different install of Windows. There is simply no way at all that the fingerprint should match. If it did match, then their implementation sucks. Fuck them if they made it that bad intentionally. Better to have to catch and ban the same person 10 times than ban an innocent person even once.
I can’t verify that each CPU has a unique id, the way a network card does (MAC address), but it might be a trade secret, who knows.
As far as banning innocent people, if the math is that one cheater drives away 100 honest players, it’s better to ban up to 99 honest players to get to that 1 cheater.
A CPU serial number or other ID is more unique than a MAC address, as those can be spoofed, and are not guaranteed to be unique, either. I heard one case of someone tearing their hair out over a mystery network issue, eventually discovering two NICs with the same MAC. And also the case of someone buying a whole pallet of NICs, which turned out to all have the same MAC address.
But I don’t think that math checks out. A player driven away might return, but a banned player can’t.
They’ve been hardware finger printing for years now. They one hundred percent know if you’re a piss drinking titty fucker just from your chipset.
Pfft, like they need my chipset for that
