America wants five years of your social media before you visit. I followed it to Five Eyes, a 1946 alliance kept secret for 64 years.

Five years of your social media just to visit the US on an ESTA, and 50,922 phone searches at the border in a single year with no suspicion needed. Part 1 of my Five Eyes series: who else gets to see it?

  • XLE@piefed.socialEnglish
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    8 days ago

    That means less than 0.02% of those encounter a device search.

    Grok, how does the Panopticon work?

    • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
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      2 days ago

      I think it works in some way that doesn’t allow you to avoid scrutiny by leaving your phone at home when you travel internationally?

      Actually I think it may be hard to travel at all when locked inside a prison? idk lol

      • XLE@piefed.socialEnglish
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        1 day ago

        The Panopticon works by making you worry you are always going to be surveiled even if there’s a statistically small chance you are.

        That’s the joke.

        Not sure why the Lemmy Privacy Community didn’t quite understand it, besides the obvious

        • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
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          1 day ago

          My point is that a small chance of being searched at a border crossing is a far cry from a panopticon.

          • XLE@piefed.socialEnglish
            1·
            19 hours ago

            I’m sorry, do you understand that you are repeating the definition of the panopticon, but say you don’t understand how a panopticon is a panopticon?

            • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
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              14 hours ago

              I’ve already explained I think there’s a big difference between a chance of being searched at an airport and a chance of being observed at any moment while imprisoned and I’m not sure what else might be unclear.

              The definition of a panopticon is not “a small chance of being searched”, just to be clear. It’s a specific thing and you’re saying it’s similar while I’m saying it’s different enough.

              • XLE@piefed.socialEnglish
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                11 hours ago

                You might want to take a quick look at Wikipedia, because you are trying to use inaccurate distinctions.

                while imprisoned

                No, it’s not placed in a prison, it’s about the structure of a surveillance society.

                • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
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                  10 hours ago

                  From the first paragraph:

                  The panopticon is a design of institutional building with an inbuilt system of control, originated by the English philosopher and social theorist Jeremy Bentham in the 18th century. The concept is to allow all prisoners of an institution to be observed by a single prison officer, without the inmates knowing whether or not they are being watched.

                  (emphasis mine)

                  Bentham designed the Panopticon as a prison. It sounds like you’re using the word as a metaphor.

                  I don’t think such a metaphorical usage is that great in this case. It works OK when you’re talking about big-brother style surveillance that is potentially present in your private life at all times (like the panopticon’s guard can potentially see any one inmate’s private activity at any time) but not when you’re talking about potentially being searched in a specific, limited, avoidable, circumventable circumstance.

                  • XLE@piefed.socialEnglish
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                    9 hours ago

                    Fishface, I linked you to a particular part of the article. Did you miss it by mistake?

                    Here is the part you failed to read:

                    The Panopticon […] must be understood as a generalizable model of functioning ; a way of defining power relations in terms of the everyday life of men. No doubt Bentham presents it as a particular institution, closed in upon itself. […] But the Panopticon must not be understood as a dream building

                    If you are able to scroll down even further and continue reading, you’ll also discover workplace surveillance is considered a Panopticon… Even though it apparently fits into your definition of something that is “circumventable”, wherever you pulled that from.