They didn’t evolve it for us, no. The evidence just suggests to me that they find this an agreeable expense in exchange for a solid shelter guarded by a comparative titan. I don’t know exactly what parts of the deal they understand and what parts they like, but they clearly at least know to expect the honey tax.
I mean some animals certainly can consent to some things. There are obviously limitations, and bees may be well within those limits, but I’ve seen pets and farm animals that very clearly understand the deal with “owner is gonna do something unpleasant and then give us a treat” because they offer themselves up for something they initially resisted and clearly still are not fans of.
They “find this an agreeable expense”? They have a choice in the matter? Bees do what bees do in the wild or or in man-made hives. Humans choose to place them in hives.
They produced extra to account for it when they could leave, so it appears to me they at least understand that their current home comes at the cost of honey.
They have a choice in the matter?
They can and WILL leave if abused, so they very obviously do have a choice, yes.
Humans choose to place them in hives.
And if humans want them to produce honey, they’re going to have to give the bees ample opportunity to find a better home and leave.
They didn’t evolve it for us, no. The evidence just suggests to me that they find this an agreeable expense in exchange for a solid shelter guarded by a comparative titan. I don’t know exactly what parts of the deal they understand and what parts they like, but they clearly at least know to expect the honey tax.
I know you think animals can consent but they can’t
I mean some animals certainly can consent to some things. There are obviously limitations, and bees may be well within those limits, but I’ve seen pets and farm animals that very clearly understand the deal with “owner is gonna do something unpleasant and then give us a treat” because they offer themselves up for something they initially resisted and clearly still are not fans of.
They “find this an agreeable expense”? They have a choice in the matter? Bees do what bees do in the wild or or in man-made hives. Humans choose to place them in hives.
They produced extra to account for it when they could leave, so it appears to me they at least understand that their current home comes at the cost of honey.
They can and WILL leave if abused, so they very obviously do have a choice, yes.
And if humans want them to produce honey, they’re going to have to give the bees ample opportunity to find a better home and leave.