virii still work w/o upgrade
The entire article is based on a false premise:
With ESU, you can still get security updates and minor fixes or improvements, but the catch is that extended support ends on October 13, 2026.
Not true, there are three years of ESU updates available.
Do you have a source for that? Everything including Microsoft itself I find tells me that free ESU support for private users will end in Oct 26. Do you mean some paid feature for companies or so?
I just know they said from the start that you could buy three years at escalating prices. Then later, closer to the original end of support they made the first year of ESU free for users in the EEA, and then they made it buy-able for reward points or something like that for everyone.
tells me that free ESU support for private users will end in Oct 26
You’re probably right on that
With how Microsoft are handling updates lately, no longer getting them might actually be a selling point
Honestly, its like they are fighting to drown the company. Microslop.
I’m migrate my notebook to Linix Mint, perform way better than Windows 10.
I’m trying to figure out a way to transport my modlists from MO2 in Fallout New Vegas and Skyrim to run on Linux, once this is done, i goodbye windows forever on my personal devices
Use Linux, get freedom
Mac is going to shit too, which is so sad since that transition to ARM was a huge success. Their OS is ridiculously janky dogshit now. It’s not Microsoft level bad but it’s heading in the same direction.
I’m glad I finally started switching. The Linux stuff is more annoying in some ways but in predictable and therefore manageable ways. Mac=there is no war in bag sing sei. Windows=I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it further.
What is wrong with Mac? I find macOS to be very clean and nice. I find it similar to KDE Plasma.
It’s been a while since I used Mac OS but I remember it was quite janky even around 2020.
And of course the whole liquid glass thing is just bonkersly stupid. Vista did it years ago and it was terrible back then because it just made the UI hard to see. I’m not interested in how clever it is.
Okay, cmd+space and search.
Waits.
Fucking why?
Results pop up, if what I want is on top (never is) I click and just before I do, it changes the top result and opens something else.
Fucking why?
Liquid Glass just existing.
Fucking why?
Giant window corner radius
Fucking why?
Dynamic resorting lists are awful.
I dont use macs, havent for years, but its genuinely sad their ui has fallen to that low.
It’s also ridiculous that I’ve never got to this point in the first place. Spotlight was a solved problem. It was fast as hell. You type, it did. That was it no drama no waiting nothing it just did the thing and it did it fast and predictably then this last update comes out and they ruined spotlight.
My iphone just updated to the version with liquid glass and it’s the worst thing I have every fucking seen. Wasted space on the edges, over exaggerated animations, moving buttons that are normal (contacts in the phone app) from 1 click to 2+ depending on what ever fucking mood is is in, the lag on all the buttons where things bop around right as you click as if it’s loading ads on a page right before clicking a URL. I gave it a week and then sold my phone and go and android. Hurts breaking an entirely apple ecosystem household,but fuck liquid glass.
Apple‘s mobile UI definitely needed a visual overhaul. It’s time. But liquid glass was a step in the wrong direction. I’m firmly in the camp of neumorphism. This was horseshit. This does not solve a problem. It is not visually interesting. It is an obstacle in every goddamn fucking way. This says they had no engineers or designers in the room when they made this, it was all business majors and they fucking suck.
neumorphism
Yeah, because fuck people with bad eyesight amirite.
You can do that in a high contrast way. Elements are naturally high contrast in that design. You don’t need to see the shading around it. That’s not the important part.
I’m firmly in the camp of neumorphism.
Why not good old 3d controls (or skeuomorphism) like in Winamp classic skin or Windows 3.11 or you get the general idea?
Why even combine fake 3d with flatness?
Also “electronic paper” (as in no 3d look, just lines and geometric figures and fillings, but not what’s called flat design - element borders are lines, elements without borders don’t exist) - fine. Think, if talking Apple, MacOS 8, but with less pretense.
Neumorphim mockups I’ve seen were visually interesting, clean and easy to read and understand, and flexible.
I have a Mac for work (dev shit) and used to love it. Still prefer it over Windows, but what really bugs me: All the preinstalled jank you can’t get rid of makes it do weird default behavior way too often. And the screens man. Trying to use multiple monitors on a dock makes me hate my life a little more every day. It’s an absolute shitshow
I’m a developer who uses both Linux and Mac (because of company machine) for work. Directly comparing them every day, I’m just much more happy with the Gnome (with popshell) experience than Mac all the time
I gave up with MacOS a couple of years ago (after nearly a lifetime of using them - my first ‘own’ Mac was a Lombard PowerBook G3 - lovely machine,) because it became increasingly apparent that Apple had stopped caring about the desktop operating system and were intent on turning it into a mobile phone with a keyboard and bigger screen.
Annoying desktop bugs - like constantly (and randomly) forgetting the resolution and position of second displays, not powering up external USB drives properly after sleep, and (as a developer) endlessly having to fight with “why is my build suddenly broken? oh, MacOS decided it doesn’t trust the linker again” type problems just wore me out. Every time they released some pointless new UI fluff but ignored the fact that the Finder had been essentially unusable since Mac OS X (because why should you be using the Finder anyway, you should just trust that your files are stored in Magic Apple Cloud Land…) just reminded me they really didn’t care about desktop users, they just want desktops as accessories to their mobile phones.
So, I cut the cord and finally switched to Linux on the desktop. Which is a shame, because they do make some really nice hardware…
(Although now that I’m actively trying to cut all US suppliers out of my life, it’s actually been a blessing.)
I’ve said this before but if Apple really cared about their users then the iPad Pro would essentially just be a touchscreen laptop. It has the hardware to run a full-on operating system, but they keep it locked to iOS so they can sell you apps via the lockdown ecosystem.
There was a period when “ergonomics” became something users assumed to have been achieved for all eternity. Late 90s, early 00s, when developers generally made UIs following strict guidelines and looking natively with no designer bullshit.
Before that period (and before popularization of computers) “ergonomics” was something absolutely paramount, half of any mechanism a human uses. Another half would be the actual functionality, which differed between domain areas, but ergonomics didn’t. And once a factory would start issuing those mechanisms with some kind of control panel, it wouldn’t just release an update a few days earlier, no Star Trek transporters, no Harry Potter transfiguration, Carl!
So, somehow making ergonomic UIs is now irrelevant for profitability of making a product.
It’s not really about AI. It’s not really about ads. It’s not really about telemetry. And it’s not even really about something being slow.
It’s just about ergonomics of old concepts implemented being by inertia not totally awful, but gradually worsening, and ergonomics of new concepts implemented being non-existent. That’s all.
After spitting left and right for a few years even I would generally be fine with agentic AI or whatever else. If those things had ergonomic controls. They don’t.
I’ve actually been really enjoying MacOS because of how they’ve sort of abandoned it. There’s no gimmicky bullshit in it. It’s just simple and old school and just works.
Maybe I’ll give it a fresh install when the next OS releases.
Get off American monopoly tech. The desktop is the easiest.
A GNU/Linux desktop has endless advantages and doesn’t include the anti-features.
Linux, in some form, runs a lot of your life already, even if you don’t know it.
If your a tech, you really should deeply know Linux/UNIX anyway.
Dude. American here. FUCK Windows 11 and fuck Microsoft for being what they are. Damn unethical pushy creepy bastards.
gates caught an std. same as windows
Even I, a long long long and ooooold ms-fanboy finally ditched win11 in fear of the copilot shit hole that’s coming.
And now I regret not having switched years earlier. Everything is a lot better now, and those things that are worse are just worse because companies hate Linux (looking at Logitech et al).
And when even I left windows (I do have every certificate from them, sold hundreds of thousands of licenses and whatnot) that tells something 😔 sadly so, I might add.
Long story short: fuck copilot.
Copilot is not the problem. If Copilot was just one more program (like Notepad or Paintbrush), I wouldn’t have an issue with it. But Microsoft (and other companies) insist in putting it every-fucking-where. Like in Notepad? WHY?! So yeah, fuck Microsoft.
Like in Notepad? WHY?! So yeah, fuck Microsoft.
It’s the equivalent of a drugs dealer that starts throwing their product in people’s faces just to get more people hooked, but the product is so nasty almost everyone runs away screaming.
Yes totally. They’re a company, they want to make money. Sure, fine. But if things stop being optional (or at least uninstallable like fucking onedrive) then I get pissed.
When I want AI, I start one. But in settings? In notepad? In my coffemachine and nutsack-warmer? Noooooo.
piper manages logitech mice and it’s quite good!
Yeah but not mine sadly. G502 x plus wireless
I know that isn’t the point of your comment, but what issues do you have with Logitech hardware on Linux? I have just mice from them, but honestly an embarrassing amount. I just use Solaar and I can configure all I need? I also have always only used the onboard memory (so I can move them between computers), and don’t really use macros though…
Solaar only let’s me do DPI for mine. I have to set that fucker up in a VM with lghub and use onboard profile and input-remapper. Without mapping the extra buttons in lghub to something, inputremapper gave me nothing to work with)
So far I have not needed my scripts or macros yet, so that is a problem for later 😁
(G502 x plus lightningsomething btw).
Eight months to learn Linux is a LONG time. You’ll be fine.
Thats some actually great news!
I just installed Linux Mint last weekend. Working great so far!
Windows is being re-written from the ground up to be ‘agentic’. This means that Copilot is not going to be a feature of Windows, Windows is going to be a feature of Copilot.
Oh, and Copilot is going to be writing the code too. Microslop brags that 30% of their code is AI.
Windows is being re-written from the ground up
I know they say that but you know there’s still Windows 95 code still in there so I don’t believe them at all. It’s just smoke and mirrors for the shareholders.
They are just going to add another layer of abstraction.
Code? There is still win 95 UI in windows 10
Hey hey, let’s be honest here, bragged, it’s been 9 months or so by now. Who knows how much of windows is vibecoded at this point, it might be as high as 50%.
By the way microslop is doing emergency patch after emergency patch, vibe coding windows isn’t the brag they thought it was.
Maybe the new stuff. The Windows NT core has 22 years’ worth of code.
If it’s a matter of quantity over quality, LLMs are fantastic at that. I can totally see them bloating the codebase by letting loose a few LLMs and have them do whatever.
And following decent coding practices there shouldn’t be a ton of code there (not saying a small amount, just little enough that AI would be able to compete in volume in this amount of time), just because less is so often more.
My office jumped ship at XP, it was that bad. We went to Linux because getting work done was actually more important.
So many things finally caught up, we did a lot of server client things with the Linux stack for field offices.
Now they call it the cloud. Which means it isn’t your server.
XP started the enshittification and it continued year after year…
XP started it?
In the micorosft line? Yes. Windows ID started here, telemetry, pushing their software, licensing schemes that only put you in control if you had a corporate key and so on.
Fair point.
XP was Tellytubby NT 2000.
Im on the WIndows 10 Extended support. I’m either going to risk staying on 10, or move to linux. The big problems for me are 1 ) Visual studio doesn’t run on linux so I’d either have to learn a new editor or do a VM… I suppose 2) Gaming. A lot can happen in 8 months for improvements. But this might be the thing that holds me on Windows for a while. Saw a video of native Dota2 on linux runs like shit. 3) A solid remote desktop replacement. One that’s as good or better than what I’m using.
For coding, you could use VSCode, which is not the same as VS but it has enough extensions to probably support your use-case?
There’s also KATE and some other project written in Rust, if you want a proper application and not just a glorified website running locally.
I’ve usedJetBrains on Linux for years, it’s a dream.
Linux-native Dota is a bit worse than Windows Dota, to the point that I tried to run it in Proton instead (doesn’t work). With the right start config (-dx11) it runs fine though. Same for Deadlock, it was almost unplayable without -dx11.
RustDesk has been my remote desktop replacement. Chross platform so you can try it on Windows before you switch to see if it checks your boxes.
I just switched from Windows to Linux a few weeks ago. Not sure about a replacement for visual studio, but I haven’t had an issue finding an open source application to do anything I did in windows. As for gaming, it works way better than I expected it to, but it’s still not as good overall IMHO. Some games run better without all the bloat of Windows 11, other games run way worse because they aren’t optimized in Linux, it’s been a bit of a crapshoot. For remote desktop, I use the thincast client to connect to other machines, and XRDP on my VMs. Thincast and xrdp work together better than AVD and the Windows App, by a longshot.
Gaming is my big issue. But now that my quality gaming time with family has gone from Warzone to ARC Raiders, it’s a far less daunting concern. I’ll probably wait and see if DMZ 2 supports Linux, which sadly I doubt, and if that game will cost
People aren’t just rejecting it and staying on 10. they are actively downgrading (going back to windows 10) or leaving the windows ecosystem entirely for Linux. Someone actually went out of their way to tally up and explain all the shit MS broke over the course of the last year. It’s a ridiculous number of things.
Microsoft removed my quick access links to my desktop folder today
why? I don’t know. I guess they want to force me to use the OneDrive desktop folder. which I do use, for shit I want synced to OneDrive. but I also have a local desktop folder I use for temp files, and fuck you very much Microsoft left me fucking use my computer how I want to
side note, I had a little program that would export a file that a user had open to their desktop in a specific format. great program, super useful for the application we were running it in, it made a multi-step process of navigating menus into a single button click. I’ve been using it for the past few years at this company. cue my surprise when some new people inform me that the button doesn’t work for them and so they haven’t been using it - BECAUSE MICROSOFT TOOK AWAY THE LOCAL USER DESKTOP FOLDER LMFAO. it blew my mind that people had to go manually create a desktop folder, I had never thought to add checking if that folder exists to the code.
I don’t know about such claims. I’ve just finished installing W10 on one of my laptops.
Use case? BMW coding tools are only built for Windows and using them via wine doesn’t really work.
As a long time Linux use I can’t even describe what I’m feeling right now.
Can you do a Windows VM for that?
I could sure, with usb passthrough, but the laptop is pretty shit, so it would just be painful and truthfully, I was also curious about how shitty W10 has gotten over the past 10 years.
I will reinstall linux after I’m done with it anyway.
Yep. I have 1 app that requires Windows (or Mac) that I use once every 4 or 5 weeks. I run Win 10 in a VM for that.
