There are a lot of “And rightfully so.” comments here. And rightfully so.
I have been using Linux since almost 30 years. It took me almost a week to get X running, since it had to reboot to windows everytime I wanted to look something up or get help. Now I buy games on steam without checking if they run, because… they just do. :)
Actually I don’t need more people using Linux, I am happy with how it is now - no need to attract the attention of the malware industry. 😜
I don’t think them and you will run the same Linux, but that’s ok. Choice is good and kind of the point. :-)
I want everyone to have the benefit of Linux. It’s not just about me. We’d then get those missing applications and drivers. And if anyone wanted to get away from the mainstream, there are distros just for that.
And rightfully so. They might not know much about Linux itself BUT they did dare try and for that they deserve recognition.
Not going to lie, as a recent convert, this is not very off the mark. 😅 😎🐧
Haha same! I’m around 9 months in now tho so it’s evened out. Now I just silently judge haha
4 days?
Took me 4 seconds to realize I can actually use the super key and have my start menu pop up instantly and not watch it struggle to load 50 ads and tell me to download candy crush
I have a couple of Linux machines, but I also use a MacBook. It’s been a year now, and every time I use the Mac it kinda pisses me off that I have to hit Cmd+Space to bring up a search. It feels like a massive step backwards.
Just my files & programs, and instant search through them. All a menu needs to be
But also when I click the start button it has all of my files and programs
Better late than never is my family motto
Me after having control of system updates again when I switched to Linux.
And rightfully so!
4 full days??
Justified imo
Even 4s would be fine, anyone who’s made the move is better than anyone who’s stayed.
Even 4s would be fine
install finishes
“That was it?.. Heh. Of course it was. This is Linux, afterall. Not some grotesque accumulation of defects for those base creatures.”
Yeah honestly even if you try it and give it a fair chance but still decide to go back that’s fine with me.
In that case the user has made a choice is the good thing. They’ve seen what options are there and decided Windows fits their needs best. That’s better in my mind than a world where everyone accepts the OS that comes preinstalled on their machine as permanent and doesn’t consider alternatives.
To test a very stubborn program I had to install windows in a VM and use it for 20 minutes yesterday. It felt like I was swimming in a swamp located at the exit pipes of a factory that exclusively produce shit and deadly biohazard material.
Ive used it for 30 years… :)
I picture you:
Loved that guy! Need to rewatch xfiles…
I actually did rewatch it all a few years ago. Its quite good, but I see now as a older guy that David Duchovny actually wasnt very good playing Moulder. Didnt notice it as a kid but yeah, he is just reading lines with the same facial expression all the time. If you havent noticed, try rewatching with that in mind… :)
Gillian Anderson is amazing though, really good actress and she was paid much less than Moulder, despite being able to actually act properly.
he is just reading lines with the same facial expression all the time. If you havent noticed, try rewatching with that in mind… :)
That’s basically Duchovny’s whole range, as far as I can tell.
I think he was in some non-X-Files related movie. I never saw it, but I remember the commercial for it. Duchovny’s character: “Are you here to kill me?” “Yes, are you worried?” “Just trying to plan my day.” All deadpan.
I got so tired of X-Files stringing me along. It reminded me of some women that I tried to date. I gave up after the first movie (yeah, the one everyone forgets about) - no answers there, either!
I’m getting close to that point. I started playing with it in 1997 or 1998, trying to avoid grad school work… Daily driver at home for many, many years.
And rightfully so.
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The first few days is where you realize “holy shit, there is another world I’ve been ignoring and it’s so much more fun.”
I’m always somewhat confused by this, I haven’t tried Linux since 2009 so maybe I just need to try it some more to appreciate what people mean by thks. I’d say it was “fun” in so much as it was nice to have a challenge for a little while but that was more sort of incidental to it facilitating my computer being a useful machine for me. In terms of it being a better operating system that does it’s job efficiently without problems, shouldn’t it be sort of… Invisible then? Like how can it be fun? I use my computer to do stuff so for me it’s sort of like an operating system is only noticeable to the extent that it is bad and if it isn’t bad I won’t really be aware of it.
Well, invisible is how linux (mostly) is now, as opposed to windows which has become very visible and pushing and annoying by design. It is very refreshing to have an os which works and doesn’t constantly annoy you with unwanted things.
You should try it again, I am pretty sure your experience will be very different from 2009, because a lot has happened to linux since then.
But see, doesn’t that just mean it’s a really good operating system? Not necessarily “fun”? I don’t know if I’m getting my point across here. Think of a pair of shoes, there is much variation of form and design intent and pricing and capability but nevertheless they’re pretty much all there to facilitate the task of walking. You could get a really bad pair of shoes that constantly dig holes in to your foot and fall to pieces and make walking a huge chore. Maybe some day someone will make a pair that somehow force you stop and look at billboards and ad displays, those would be your windows shoes. You could also get a great pair, that feels so comfortable you could forget you’re even wearing them, they look great and they were a fantastic price and they never worsen your ability to perform the task of walking. They might even be such good shoes that they’re suitable for all sorts of walking adjacent tasks like running as well, perhaps you’ll enjoy running, again though what’s fun there? Running? Or having shoes that don’t make running difficult? I’d assume the former. That’s what I tend to wonder about with the folks who talk about how much fun Linux is. I’m sure the various distros are really great operating systems that work way better than a lot of other options and don’t have the same perverse incentives that keep those other options so consistently poor and for all those reasons it’s a great choice but who’s looking at operating systems thinking “this is going to be fun”? I’d love to have that same capacity to be so amused by it but it’s hard to see it as anything other than a functional piece of equipment. I certainly will have preferences and appreciation for good equipment but I wouldn’t think of it as fun. I have a similar reaction to people that say they like it because they want to tinker or “you can do anything you want with it”, I don’t want to yuk anyone’s yum but, what would you even be trying to do with it?
“I’m always somewhat confused by this”
“I haven’t tried Linux since 2009”
ok
Like how can it be fun?
So many cool utilities are Linux native first, today.
When I finally switched my work computer to Linux, various little tools I had been using were suddenly trivial to install, instead of maybe an hour each. I had restored my full favorite toolset in less than 30 minutes, and moved on to exploring things that never worked on Windows, for me.
The combined feeling, for me, is like when my father user to hand me $5 to shop at our local 10¢ candy store. “I can just have as much of this as I want.”
It’s fun for enthusiasts only, I suppose
I suppose it’s a lot easier to have fun when you’ve got some stability.
Best part is that it never gets old day after day after day af…
Can confirm, I’m using arch btw and every three
pacman -Syu's I run into issues that are new to meOne day I will figure out what other Arch users do and why my installation had not a single issue in the 3 years it has been running so far.
Usually it’s graphics drivers going boom on update.
Yeah but that was communicated in Archnews: https://archlinux.org/news/nvidia-590-driver-drops-pascal-support-main-packages-switch-to-open-kernel-modules/
Sure the Arch or package maintainers could provide migration scripts for stuff like that (there probably are rolling distros who do that?) or when they split packages but usually you are fine if you read the announcements and act accordingly.
The question was how they make the arch go boom by running pacman -Syyu and I gave the most probable reason. Thanks for hitting me with RTFM
Sorry that wasn’t meant like that, I was just pointing out that that was at least communicated in Archnews which not everything is, for example the firewalld package split you have to catch in the package update warnings which is easy to miss.
Yeah there’s a lot of things you can do, but I bet most people just hit yes and go about their day, which is how they break their system. I’ve done it at least once (come back from vacation and pacman hits you with 300+ new packages), but also have broken arch by trying to install stuff by following old deprecated guides. It’s not hard to break, but it’s also very achievable to have a problem free time.
I don’t get new issues all the time like op says, but I do have a few nagging issues that I’m too lazy to fix.
I was thinking the same thing, I have installed it on a laptop and it’s almost boring how it just works.
TBH, pacman aur is damn easier than managing PPA’s on Ubuntu
Jup. I think I’ve had some 3 actual issues the past 2 years on EndeavourOS. But the Endeavour team did a good job of warning me on Discord/RSS or at least provide tutorials and explanations afterwards.
One of the issues was in regard to Grub (fixed by Timeshift rollback and a one-liner), one was in regard to some rogue Nvidia bug crashing the login window (fixed by Timeshift rollback and waiting a few days before updating again), and one was Nvidia removing support for GTX1000 cards and older (Nvidia, WHYYYYYYYY?!).
For reference, I had what felt like similar annoying bugs (and much worse) on Windows 10 about every month, but without any useful support from Microsoft. :(
EDIT: speaking of the devil. A fourth issue just popped up.
and one was Nvidia removing support for GTX1000 cards and older (Nvidia, WHYYYYYYYY?!).
Yeah this one REALLY sucked on my laptop still running a 960M. But hey, after the fix (which I think was just locking the driver package?) I just don’t gotta worry anymore, so that’s cool.
Heh, that’s on you, bazzite here (was arch for a few years 4+ish years ago) can’t remember the last time an update was problematic (oh, wait, 42->43 broke a distrobox, but I do that myself all the time, it’s what they’re for).
you know what distro I would choose if I were prone to tinkering at the expense of the system’s month-to-month stability?
lmao :) Have fun.
It’s been 9 years since I set my system up, so…
Please do.
On regular Fedora 42->43 broke (or forgot to change?) a few SE Linux rules for me, so that I got constant notifications about violations. Otherwise it’s been rock solid so far.
Yeah, if you dig through journalctl (and you should once in a while) it gives you the commands to fix that stuff if you think it’s right. That said, would be nice to not have to do that.
It’s was even easier - KDE showed a notification, I clicked it and got a pop-up telling me about the violation and the commands to fix it of this behavior should be allowed. I could never copy&paste them from there. But yes, checking journalctl every once in a while is a good habit.
Since it was nothing that really prevented me from using the PC (e.g. virt-manager getting a violation when I shut down a VM), I reported it and waited for a bit if they’d resolve this and then just ran the commands after a two days without fix, because I wanted to get rid of the notifications
You get issues every fifteen minutes? Damn.
Just nuked my CachyOS install with a routine update and switched to Bazzite after repairing it in chroot failed. I enjoyed the entire process, even the failures.
I’m on arch now (BTW) and I’m eyeballing fedora atomic sway.
i’m still in awe i can literally just play videogames on linux.
Ikr? An indie game just came out last week, and I’m able to use my PS5 controller with all the really cool haptic feedback with no configuration on my end.
The progress in the last 2 years has been nothing short of amazing.
The KDE team, Wine, Proton, TKG/GE/etc have worked miracles for the Linux community.
Also, shout out to Microsoft for spectacularly face planting in their move to Windows 11/CoPilot/Vibe coded OS development. Nobody deserves more credit for Linux’s growth than Microsoft’s complete failure to innovate as an operating system developer.
the best part is that they didn’t even need to innovate, they just had to not ruin it
The siren call of enshittification-driven short-term profits was too strong.
Little did we know that their long LONG term plan was actually “EmbraceIncompetence, ExtendBlueScreens, ExtinguishSelf”
I get a hit of dopamine just doing mundane tasks on Linux.
Well, I used enough linux to be angry about a lot of things.
