• YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    My man, first of all, no. Secondly, you HAVE democracy, the whole West in theory, and look where you are. And they push it everywhere else in the world for only one reason: to give legitimacy to their hand-picked leaders. It’s harder to coup an autocracy, basically.

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      10 hours ago

      Sorry not quite following. Yes, we want the people to elect their leaders, just like it’s meant on democracy. Autocracy means there’s a leader you didn’t elect, that means you’re somebodys bitch and there ain’t anything you can do about it. You wanna be somebodys bitch?

      The coup this is all cool and dandy until some dude decides to grab your leader like we saw in Venezuela.

      Legitimacy comes when leaders are hand picked, by the people, freely. Nothing wrong about that, because that is freedom. You can be pissed off about how your neighbours vote, but you can actually do something about it If you wanna.

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        9 hours ago

        But people are sheep and easily convinced to move against their own interests, which is where America comes along with its “democracy”, which just means handpicking their Western aligned puppet and pushing him as much as possible, eventually putting him in power because the consent has been manufactured and him or her being elected seems plausible. Also, you’ll either be or have a leader regardless, I don’t see it as being “someone’s bitch”, that’s a very juvenile way to see things, lol. I’m God’s slave, that’s all.

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          9 hours ago

          Yeah maybe i was at bit blunt with that, but you get the point.

          We can agree the US is not on good standing anymore and the biparty system is like choosing between douche and turd, but there’s nothing manufactured on democratically elected officials. The people get what it wants.

          In autocracy you are also a slave to your dictator and what If he decides that tomorrow you’re all wiccans? There goes your religion.

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            8 hours ago

            In theory the West is full of democracies and I don’t see a lot of freedom, only when freedom means walking the party line. People get shot in the face by a weird secret police group in America and nothing happens besides the government praising the murderer, the dude has a gofundme! In the UK grandmas against genocide get arrested for protesting, I’m not kidding. Idk man. And nobody can decide you’re something the next day, that’s not how belief works, it just means now you gotta pretend or die. 🤷😔

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              6 hours ago

              Yeah that is because US is turning into an autocracy where President is actively against some of his people. The way he uses government forces is very reminiscent of Russia, Belarus, Iran, China. UK also has very authoritan movement labeling grandmas terrorist, restricting Internet content, hopefully they come to their senses. That kind of leaves Europe which of course also has it’s issues, but at least the free and democratic elections being the main point.

              Yeah pretending or dying doesn’t sound so good when you could just live and let live.

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                2 hours ago

                I think the problem is indigenous to our region and remains, it’s an ideological vacuum, a vacuum of morals that are both self evident and bigger than our whims and perspectives, we’re just subjugated people so we don’t lash out the way Americans do, the “morality” of the weak… Maybe in that subjugation, the Western European mentality has shifted enough to enter a non-imperialistic era in the future after seeing American decay, hopefully.