The woman can make the choice themselves. In a world where the male isn’t forced into subservience, the woman makes a responsible choice about what they want to do before having the child. Simple as. No one is forcing them to have the child, but the woman can force the male to be? Nope sorry, unless you have a solution that doesn’t resort to victim blaming I’m not buying it.
When you punch a wall, you may not be intending for a whole to form, but you still have to pay to fix it. When you have sex, you may not be intending to have a child, but you still have the responsibility to care for it. Because nobody else made the kid, you did. Reality is not victim blaming.
Your analogy fails since a wall only needs to be repaired once for a single action. I imagine you believe that a man can’t force a mother to have an abortion, so why should a woman be able to force a man to pay her for 18 years, even when he would rather the woman not go through the pain of having a child and having an abortion.
Mother doesn’t want to have an abortion? Then they can choose to keep the child with the knowledge that the father didn’t choose to have one.
The only reason child support exists in the first place is because the government doesn’t want to pay for people’s kids. If we had safety nets for mothers this wouldn’t even be a topic.
You still have not convinced me that men should have absolutely no say in whether or not they have a child after any of the above mistakes are made, they’re forced into it, or lied to. In every other situation I agree, the father made a choice to have a child and should be expected to help. But you’re being disingenuous and saying “All men bad” and not arguing in good faith, so, again, fuck off with your victim blaming bullshit, all you’re doing is making people already agreeing with you not want to agree with you.
The woman can make the choice themselves. In a world where the male isn’t forced into subservience, the woman makes a responsible choice about what they want to do before having the child. Simple as. No one is forcing them to have the child, but the woman can force the male to be? Nope sorry, unless you have a solution that doesn’t resort to victim blaming I’m not buying it.
When you punch a wall, you may not be intending for a whole to form, but you still have to pay to fix it. When you have sex, you may not be intending to have a child, but you still have the responsibility to care for it. Because nobody else made the kid, you did. Reality is not victim blaming.
Your analogy fails since a wall only needs to be repaired once for a single action. I imagine you believe that a man can’t force a mother to have an abortion, so why should a woman be able to force a man to pay her for 18 years, even when he would rather the woman not go through the pain of having a child and having an abortion.
Mother doesn’t want to have an abortion? Then they can choose to keep the child with the knowledge that the father didn’t choose to have one.
The only reason child support exists in the first place is because the government doesn’t want to pay for people’s kids. If we had safety nets for mothers this wouldn’t even be a topic.
You still have not convinced me that men should have absolutely no say in whether or not they have a child after any of the above mistakes are made, they’re forced into it, or lied to. In every other situation I agree, the father made a choice to have a child and should be expected to help. But you’re being disingenuous and saying “All men bad” and not arguing in good faith, so, again, fuck off with your victim blaming bullshit, all you’re doing is making people already agreeing with you not want to agree with you.