Why would the leaders of the EU—a project ostensibly built on peace and sovereignty—
How on Earth is the literal cradle of Fascism and colonialism built on peace and sovereignty? The EU is built on neoliberalism and anticommunism, it cannot be built on peace or sovereignty.
Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don’t seem to control the EU yet.
Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, sadly we’re going down the same road.
Partially funded by Americans and to a lesser degree Russians, primarily funded by Europeans
Edit: to clarify, I don’t believe Russia has less of an intent on controlling European politics than the USA does, it’s just that the USA has a lot more power, money and relations with Europe, so it naturally has a lot more ways to influence our policy. As an example, Europe will (righfully) be very angry at Russia when it starts a war with Ukraine, but will join the USA in a war in Iraq.
American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence.
Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it.
Nah, you’re just eurocentric and believe the myth of the European garden vs the world jungle, whose roots are white supremacy. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot, I’m not calling you an Interpol agent.
I’m not arguing that Europe doesn’t have the potential for being a force of good, I’m arguing that as of now, it’s simply not. The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO and participated in all its military campaigns, both informally (Afghanistan) and formally (Libya and Yugoslavia). If we want to praise a country/region for its peace in the past century, we should praise post-Vietnam-war China.
As a Spaniard (country which joined the European Community rather late), I can definitely confirm that it was pretty much explicit that joining NATO was a prerequisite to be accepted in the EU. The EU was born out of the Marshall Plan and of NATO.
Criticizing European colonialist roots makes me an asset? Welp, guess I should join the massive far-right crowds in Spain chanting that Muslims should be expelled and that Spain brought culture and technology to its colonies in America
Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent
Damn, you should totally tell the million Algerians murdered by France leading up to 1962 that Europe was peaceful, maybe nothing would have happened. You should also tell Iraqis about how we totally didn’t join the invasion of their country on this very century, Yugoslav people how Europe didn’t bomb them, and Libyans that Europe didn’t bomb them either
Military intervention in Libya. Belligerent NATO states: Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, France, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States. Most of those are EU countries.
NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Aviation: French, Italian, UK, Belgian, Danish, Dutch, Portuguese, Norwegian, Spanish, German
Even the premise is too generous:
How on Earth is the literal cradle of Fascism and colonialism built on peace and sovereignty? The EU is built on neoliberalism and anticommunism, it cannot be built on peace or sovereignty.
Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don’t seem to control the EU yet.
Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, sadly we’re going down the same road.
Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans.
Partially funded by Americans and to a lesser degree Russians, primarily funded by Europeans
Edit: to clarify, I don’t believe Russia has less of an intent on controlling European politics than the USA does, it’s just that the USA has a lot more power, money and relations with Europe, so it naturally has a lot more ways to influence our policy. As an example, Europe will (righfully) be very angry at Russia when it starts a war with Ukraine, but will join the USA in a war in Iraq.
American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence.
Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it.
Nah, you’re just eurocentric and believe the myth of the European garden vs the world jungle, whose roots are white supremacy. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot, I’m not calling you an Interpol agent.
You can’t distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind.
The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree.
The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for.
Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good.
I’m not arguing that Europe doesn’t have the potential for being a force of good, I’m arguing that as of now, it’s simply not. The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO and participated in all its military campaigns, both informally (Afghanistan) and formally (Libya and Yugoslavia). If we want to praise a country/region for its peace in the past century, we should praise post-Vietnam-war China.
The EU is not a NATO member. Many of the EU’s members are also NATO members, but not all.
As a Spaniard (country which joined the European Community rather late), I can definitely confirm that it was pretty much explicit that joining NATO was a prerequisite to be accepted in the EU. The EU was born out of the Marshall Plan and of NATO.
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Criticizing European colonialist roots makes me an asset? Welp, guess I should join the massive far-right crowds in Spain chanting that Muslims should be expelled and that Spain brought culture and technology to its colonies in America
The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history.
You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work.
Damn, you should totally tell the million Algerians murdered by France leading up to 1962 that Europe was peaceful, maybe nothing would have happened. You should also tell Iraqis about how we totally didn’t join the invasion of their country on this very century, Yugoslav people how Europe didn’t bomb them, and Libyans that Europe didn’t bomb them either
Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate.
Military intervention in Libya. Belligerent NATO states: Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, France, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States. Most of those are EU countries.
NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Aviation: French, Italian, UK, Belgian, Danish, Dutch, Portuguese, Norwegian, Spanish, German