• atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    Linux is not comparable in the sense that it is not a company that is delivering a service that you paid for. So the work “that should have already be done” is done by unpaid work. We can all contribute to making it better.

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      2 days ago

      “My obscure hardware setup doesn’t work out of the box on Linux, an OS where the OEMs have made no effort to make drivers compatible with or support in any way.”

      “Linux is broken because I have to run a shell command to install a package.”

      (you don’t actually have to, but they think so because that’s what the tutorial on page one of Google recommended.)

      They need help with the basics, and Linux people, who are more comfortable with the system, recommend running some command because it is the quickest way to get what they want. The noobs then believe this is the only way to do the thing, and then believe Linux isn’t “user friendly” because nobody posted a walkthrough of how to do it graphically with up-to-date screenshots that works for all distros on all desktops.

      This isn’t a Linux problem. It’s an education and communication problem.

      Most Windows users refuse to do anything to install software besides mashing ‘next’ after running some random .exe they found on the internet. The same people will defend Windows by saying it’s easy to work around one of Microsoft’s 900 horrible decisions forced on you by opening regedit and creating like 5 DWORD registry keys in some meaningless path. They will not see the irony here.

      Running a terminal command is not required for half the shit they want to do, but they believe so, because they haven’t bothered to familiarize themselves with how things work on Linux. They never learn this because they throw their hands up the first time their Windows workflow breaks down.

      These people would have a million fewer complaints if beginner distros

      • Included the Dconf app by default.
      • Included a graphical util for editing JSON, YAML, INI, etc. files by default.
      • Included a systemd service manager app by default.
      • Published their packages as downloadable links on their website so that installation can work like running .exe files (security concerns aside)
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        22 hours ago

        Please explain then.

        You can do most things on Windows through command line, yet almost nobody is recommending those for fixes.

        If what you say is true, we would have the same issue on Windows as we have on Linux.

        My explanation is that the average Linux user is overestimating the capabilities of the average user. They think they can handle commands, which they obviously can’t. Which causes Linux to look user-unfriendly, both as an OS and as a Community.

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          22 hours ago

          Because then all Linux users would be recommending the same distro instead of their personally favourite one.

        • Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          2 days ago

          Because it doesn’t. Don’t misunderstand my refusal to use Linux as blindness to what garbage it is. I avoid precisely because I know what steaming pile of shit it actually is. Y’all can keep deluding yourselves all you want.