I will switch to Android
I’ll believe it when I actually see it
Won’t be any different. It’s just a matter of time before Android goes the same
GrapheneOS is Android and declines to introduce that
Not sure when you’ll be labelled a terrorist by using a privacy respecting OS though…
By the way our corporate dictatorships are speed-running totalitarianism, I’d say before the decade is done. I will choose to be an antifa terrorist before I accept fascism.
This is actually the least invasive form of age verification for Apple users. Apple already has a credit card on file for something like 90+% of the user base.
The alternative the political whore class are promoting is apps individually verifying with a multitude of
data brokers“ID providers”.This is the illusion of choice under the surveillance capitalism of corporate dictatorships. Rather than regulate capitalists, the gov colludes with them to exploit and enslave consumers.
Spanish police already profiles you for using grapheneOS
https://www.androidauthority.com/why-i-use-grapheneos-on-pixel-3575477/
Thanks for that input!
Just came back from a business trip in Spain.Maybe I missed it in the article, but do you know, how they do it?
I guess on the phone network level, my phone isn’t shouting “GrapheneOS here!!”.
So how do they profile me?
Only after they already control me somehow or…?Still, this is getting more and more Orwellian
Hopefully my Jolla will be to exotic in the first period, but on the long term, this all is a really worrying development with the aim of mass surveillance
I will switch to Android
And you think that Google won’t implement user tracking? It’s literally their reason for existing.
While it’s not (nearly) as convenient, you still have the option to do no-Google Android. At least for now…
Google is working very hard on killing this option. I hope they’ll fail.
I call bullshit. Apple fans happily take anything Apple pushes down their throats. Even a $999 monitor stand or a $40 microfiber cloth.
Yes every single iPhone owner also bought those 🙄
They also bought insanely expensive airpods because their phone didn’t have a jack plug anymore, so now they have fancy wireless airpods but to make sure they don’t lose them they buy Apple airpod wires for $20. You just can’t make this shit up.
Not every iPhone owner is an apple fan. I’m just aiming at the die hard Apple groupies.
Does your current phone have a headphone jack?
Yes it does.
Obviously you do whatever your preference is. But I’ve dusted off my old iPod and have been listening to music with good wired over ear headphones. I’d forgotten just how annoying having wires were when doing anything other than laying on a bed listening to music; gets caught on everything.
What I’m saying is I do not miss the headphone jack on phones literally one iota.
Wired headphones never run out of battery, wire can be tucked under clothes so won’t get cough on anything. Also won’t lose them as easy as tiny wireless pods.
Indeed it’s a preference, but by removing the jack plug it’s not. It’s forced down your throat whether you like it or not to spend loads more money on something which never was an issue, creating loads more issues. Like batteries. Next to that they can get empty, they get worse over time. Or you lose one pod. “Just buy new ones!” It’s all focused on make the consumer consume more, hoarding in exponentially more money and producing more waste. While I’m still enjoying my €120 wired headphones for over 15 years now, with exceptionally good sound quality. Except for the wire which I replaced 2 years ago, it’s still as good as new. The jack plug of my previous phone worn out, but I could easily replace that myself. Costs? $2 plug, $10 mini screwdriver set (which is amazing and I use very often) on aliexpress. Want to replace airpod batteries? Can’t, need to buy new ones.
I still have my old ipod 60GB, the first one with color screen. You know, when they forced the U2 album down your throat. It still works, so does it’s original charging cable and wired earpods. It’s over 20 years old. The charging cable which came with my iPhone 4 lasted for 4 months. The phone itself was functionally dead with an OS update. I’m never buying apple products ever again (same as Samsung, they went the same evil Corp road). Apple doesn’t want you to buy quality, they want you to buy quantity. Don’t fall for their scams claiming the non-existing problem they solved will improve your life.
I can still connect my old ipod and my current phone, to my audiophile 25 year old stereo through a tulp-jack cable. Or to any stereo with that cable at all my friends, in any older car with an aux plug or my boombox in the park.
Also, how would you connect a vintage synthesizer to airpods? You’d need to buy a powered jack to Bluetooth device, how dumb is that.
There’s nothing stopping you from continuing to use wired headphones with devices without 3.5mm jack. In fact, I often do when listening to music critically.
The official Apple 3.5mm-to-USBC plug, at $9, is apparently a very very good DAC for the price, but I find it a bit too flimsy for my taste.
Career haters just love to shit on anyone who has a preference, and thinks they can boil down an entire group of population with a single pithy comment
You sound like a career hater. We did this ad nauseum in 2007, grow up it’s embarrassing for you
You sound like
Ah yes, the amazing argument any pseudoscientist uses to prove their wild assumptions and prejudices. The well known “looks like” argument.
I have a very nuanced opinion about Apple and it’s users. I’m just talking about the insane Apple fanbase who, while being ass-raped by Apple, continue to defend the company and buy their products. There are few companies with such a die-hard fanbase. I’m not claiming all Apple users are Apple groupies. I’m just aiming at the people who buy a monitor stand for $999 or a $0.02 microfiber cloth sold for $40 which a normal person wouldn’t do.
@lIlIlIlIlIlIl you sound like someone worth #blocking
Why do you even announce it? Just block and move on, no one cares
Because he has his own opinions and doesn’t jump into the anti apple hivemind?
Please block me too :)
bullshit. no they won’t. stock android also gonna get age verification, and is considered bad by apple users, plus its a different ecosystem. stop sharing shit articles like this.
Why don’t governments force parental responsibilities instead? We wouldn’t need all our data sitting there waiting for the next data breach.
Because the data is what they want, of course.
A bit of a dishonest question, but wouldn’t that argument lead to minors being able to buy alcohol “for their parents”? We are now shifting the responsibility to the stores, not the parents.
I have my reasons to think it’s not a fair comparison, but I’ll like to hear other’s.
So you’d rather have everyone’s data subject to being exposed and your behaviour tracked, as opposed to parents looking after and paying some attention to their kids? Wow.
Giving an iPad at your kids is not good for anyone. It’s easy though.
No, but it you missed so much what I said the first time I don’t think spelling it again will help.
We’ve seen parents fail over and over again. Some parents definitely need a helping hand.
Folks, this is coming from your government. The phone makers want nothing to do with it and are actively fighting it in court as best they can. Switching between phone makers will not help, and is not the right place to put your energy. Address your concerns to your governments.
The phone makers want your data just as much as the government does. Data is money and power.
They have other ways of determining your age without requiring an extremely unpopular ID check.
With closed source tech getting worse, the masses will move away from it towards good willed opensource tech. Its inevitable.
Hopping from one proprietary platform to the next is like shopping arround for a kinder slaver who doesn’t beat you as much. We can do so much better.
Promote the platforms that respect your rights and freedoms.
Apple and Google are financially wired to squueze you for all you’re worth. You are the product. You are the sheep that needs fleeced.
We need tech platforms and solutions that respect us and that are not incentivized to squueze max profit. We all know where the road to maxxing profits leads.
I’ve been windows-free for more than 5 years, and as soon as I can get a reasonable Motorola Graphene phone, I am out.
I have been deGoogled as much as I reasonably can, and if possible I want to stop rewarding scum companies altogether. I am ever looking for better options.
I am more happy than ever with my GrapheneOS phone. Especially after they refused to include age verfication I recommend everyone to switch to grapheneos or any other custom ROM android
Did you install the play store
Sorry for late response No I didn’t install Playstore Even though GrapheneOS offer the option of installing a sandboxed google play, I still don’t use it, I can’t trust google at all, even sandboxed
man, just give me a flip phone.
Imagine being so horrible at your job as a “journalist” or an editor or a publication that you would allow an article like this to be written under your name or publication without ever mentioning the fact that age verification is being pushed by governments, not phone and computer companies (they are trying to fight its implementation), and that it is equally coming to ALL platforms (yes, even Linux) – as required by law. If you want to fight this ridiculous age verification shit, petition (and vote out) your government. I would also argue that this author and publication should be permanently blacklisted for purposely publishing this obviously biased and misleading misinformation.
‘Even Linux’ you say? Absolutely wrong. Linux is the kernel, and this is what is allowing some Linux distros to flip the finger at this bullshit laws. As for android, yeah, ‘tech-giant’ controlled android OSs will have to comply, but alternatives like GrapheneOS won’t, and most likely will not follow this rule. We have options, people that don’t want to use them are welcome to keep doing as they’re told. While I get that the options are ‘comply or leave this market’ for OS developers, whether small groups of nerds or trillion dollars behemoths, its still a choice, Apple made theirs.
Linux distros without age verification will be prohibited from distributing to regions where this law is enacted. Of course, circumventing the law is also possible, but that leaves either the project – or you – open to prosecution. As I said, your fight is with the politicians pushing through this ignorant law, not with the people, companies, or projects that are forced to comply.
That’s one of the problems. Why are you mixing people in with companies? The largest OS distributors already have this in place, those ‘companies’ already have this in place. Who do you think has been lobbying for this to be pushed? All of those giants benefit from this by pushing undue strain on small developers, which in turn tightens their grip on the users. Yeah, all the fucking politicians are to blame, as are all those companies as well. I’d this will cause projects to just remove access from those jurisdictions, good. Maybe people in those areas will help vote out the same politicians that bent over for a few bucks for this (unlikely though). Open your eyes, it’s not politicians against tech, it’s the powerful against us. I’m glad GrapheneOS decided to just not comply. And there are way more open projects taking the same stand. There’s still brave people out here.
So, I stand by what I said. I made my choice, you also get to make yours.
GrapheneOS said they won’t implement age verification. That not them “being brave”, that’s them literally doing nothing at all. “Brave” would be getting the governments implementing this shit to change the laws.
That called lobbying, not being brave.
Yeah but then you’ll have a green bubble
It’s amazing how apple managed to get Americans took care about that. Meanwhile no one else cares. No one uses iMessage in Europe or Asia.
Nobody over the age of 12 cares in the US either
Maybe in your bubble.
GrapheneOS baby
Kicked my 15pro
Why not just make it so nobody under 18 can own a smartphone. Why these fucking useless age checks.
Me using an android as a child taught me how to use linux, command line etc. seems arbitrary to deny the phone entirely. maybe certain online services should be though
as a child
So you where under 12, when you learned how to use Linux?
In general, I do agree with controls set on children, locally by the parents that is - excluding teenagers.
A bit older, think as a teen I had the first android phone that released htc dream
What were you using command line in Android for as a child?
Rooting the device gave me my first exposure to linux command line and some base operating system functions installing ROMs and customizing. Later in college for CS realized a knew more than what I expected.
I’m dabbling switching to GrapheneOS. Apple was the lesser of (obvious) evils compared to Google, but that’s becoming less true daily.
I don’t think I can make it my primary device yet, still need to de-cloud a bunch of services, but it’s very likely my next device won’t be an iPhone.
I’m running GrapheneOS since about 2 years now and I’m more than happy.
Didn’t had any real issues with it.
Art the start Android Auto didn’t work, but it does now - although I don’t really use it.I have Google play service stuff installed, but sandboxed.
And my banking apps work just fine.Friend of mine made the switch a few months ago and haven’t heard of any complaints either.
Can highly recommend it :-)
My current phone is old and just recently my bank app stopped working because the phones android version is too far behind. Is there any way to load Graphene OS on an android phone, and would it maybe help me get around having to use the website for my banking now?
If it’s not a Pixel, it’s currently not possible. If you don’t need the security features of GrapheneOS, you could look into LineageOS on a wider range of supported devices.
Currently GrapheneOS is only supporting Pixel phones - and not sure about the oldest ones, that get supported
But here is their FAQ with the current list of supported devices:
https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices
I’m mainly waiting for them to add banking apps. My bank is a small local credit union so it might be a while.
I’m using my banking apps (business and private) without issues
It’s not about GrapheneOS adding those apps, it’s about the bank allowing their apps to run on that Android device/version.
(Or someone correct me here, but that also makes more sense to me, than a whitelist on GrapheneOS side)
