Obviously this is a broad and controversial topic (especially since I’m asking about both on and offline) but as individualism and isolationism seems to be increasing in the western world, I’m wondering what can be done and what others have done to counteract this trend.

Edit: Obviously, there’s broad things like participating in hobby groups or being nice to neighbours, but I’m especially interested in discussion of specifics, such as ways to set up these groups, organisational structures, or ways to expand connections from a hobby group beyond just the hobby.

  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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    The core of a community is consistent interaction with community members. The easiest way to develop this is to have some kind of regular meeting that people have a reason to attend. A bar can be a community, a church can be a community, a library can be a community, a park can be a community, an online game can be a community, a web forum can be a community. You can also have a community without a specific regular meeting place, as long as the members are willing to make the effort to meet in different places (this is more difficult, and works best for small groups of friends). What matters is that people keep showing up and spending time together.

    It becomes a real community when the members begin to care about each other, so much so that they will go out of their way to ensure the well-being of other members. This takes time to develop, and benefits greatly from community leaders who set an example of care, which can be as simple as asking how someone is doing and genuinely listening to the answer. It’s easier to do in person because you can often look at someone and know that something is wrong, and they can’t just run away embarrassed without making a scene. It’s harder to do through the Internet, people will simply disappear. Bluntly, the less people have invested personally the more likely they are to just leave.

    Churches are actually an instructive example - religious worship has been the center of communities for much of humanity’s past. Small churches tend to build communities very easily because they have:

    1. Weekly meetings in a dedicated space - no one has to guess when or where to be, or if anyone else is going to show up
    2. Mutual support - the religious aspects of the group encourage members to care for each other
    3. Guilt tripping - there’s a lot of peer pressure to show up every week, and social consequences for not doing so

    If you want to build a community, try to be that example of a community leader who checks in with others and cares about their well-being. It’s tricky though, trying too hard too fast with this is not socially acceptable and will push people away. Starting out the most important thing is communication and coordination (e.g. making sure people have transportation to and from the meeting). Start small, start simple, and this might seem counterintuitive, try to be the invisible glue that holds it all together. For the community to form, the members must develop relationships with each other that are not dependent on the leader, which means you can’t insert yourself into every relationship within the community - you can’t be everyone’s best friend, you might not even know everyone directly, and that’s okay. You need to facilitate the growth of relationships (by introducing people to each other) but not be the center of all of them (single point of failure). If you’re successful, the community will grow beyond yourself and take on its own form, which may be different from what you visualized at the start.

    Also keep in mind that there’s a degree of getting lucky required to make this happen. You can set a table and invite people to sit down at it, but you can’t force them. People have to choose to join you, and choose to come back, and that means you have to find people who are in the right place in their lives, the right mindset, and have the time to be involved. Getting lucky typically involves casting a wide net, repeatedly over time, being patient, and accepting failure. Starting from scratch is hard.

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      Guilt tripping - there’s a lot of peer pressure to show up every week, and social consequences for not doing so

      and further there will be other consequences for social non-conformity with say beliefs, activities, etc.

      I was a part of a community that seemed really cool for years, but it decided it was going to start imposing these rules on people about how they had to dress/talk/look/think because newer people decided they had a ‘right to feel safe’ and they wanted to ‘circle the wagons’ so to speak, so I left. Because fuck that shit.

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        and further there will be other consequences for social non-conformity with say beliefs, activities, etc.

        Yes, although I think conformity has more to with maintaining an existing community and/or influencing its behavior than it does growing a new community. It is certainly almost a required feature of religious groups.

        Problems come when a community starts to be exclusionary/elitist, and starts drawing lines between “us” and “them”. I’m not really sure how you avoid that stage, it seems to happen with most groups once they grow to a certain size.

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          yeah, that was the issue with mine, it grew and it started to suck because insecure people joined and insecure people can’t help but impose their insecurity on other folks by drawing arbitrary boundaries… also we went from no money to having some money and that completely changed people’s behaviors…

          personally I just don’t get it, but I’m not into identity politics and all that ‘my fragile self-image must be protected from the bad people’ nonsense.