Still not seeing any meaningful difference posted besides your tautological reasoning. All government is inherently authoritarian. That is how government inherently works and is defined. It can’t not be.
Saying some governments are magically different because they are isn’t anything logical. It’s repeating 1940s era propaganda made exclusively to make Americans feel like they weren’t so bad.
So you failed given every European country and the US also has that. (as much as China or Cuba at least.)
They absolutely are. When a building collapses due to the safety inspectors being bribed, it’s not the rich people that die – they live in the nice buildings. When an investigation into fair wages gets bribed away who suffers? The workers.
When a politician spends his career working against the workers who suffers? The Workers.
China at a local level is incredibly directly democratic, with workers voting on most things. Directly going against the will of the people is harming those people’s essential right to self determination, compromising their safety, and denying them all other rights afforded by China’s constitution.
While this isn’t actually how money works in any country, the workers pay the wages of the politicians, they demand honest service, and the whole system is based on the idea that can be done.
No, the mistake I’m making is pretending any person using the word ‘authoritarian’ has thought for two seconds about the word or what it means. Hence why I’m trying to encourage those to think beyond the propaganda and instead actually dive into the philosophy it’s trying to obscure.
Authoritarianism, also known as ‘any two or more humans living together,’ is a meaningless buzzword invented in the 1940s to try to differentiate American and Fascist societies to get Americans on board with fighting their ideological clones across the Atlantic.
It has no static definition that meaningfully separates any society from any other society.
Define authoritarian in a way that excludes the US and Europe but includes any country you listed.
And getting immediately hyperbolic feedback about your sorting job. It’s like if your computer was schizophrenic and overly upset your didn’t place the story exactly where it should go according to the whims of whichever voices are awake at the time.
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You don’t have to like it but again I ask what other solution you have to people that have shown themselves beyond a reasonable doubt to be objectively evil. People that would be lynched by the public if their crimes were just reported on.
That is an opinion, sure. Another is that you stop separating ‘The StAtE’ from ‘The People,’ because it decent societies there is no effective difference. (Actually in all societies, there is zero difference whatsoever, but we really aren’t here to talk about implied consent)
The state doesn’t need to be infallible, because people aren’t. But we can be sure beyond a reasonable doubt. If a mayor of a province that has directly harmed hundreds of thousands of people and was found with literally 40 tons of Gold and Cash says they’re innocent, they have a pretty large hill to climb. We can be reasonably sure he at least had something to do with the bribes, and we can be reasonably sure a poor student from a poor family turned extremely low level politician did not find a way to hoard 40 tons of gold and cash through legitimate means. On its face just that evidence pushes that beyond a reasonable doubt, but beyond that the offender still gets a guaranteed defense in court. The one referenced obvious lost, because of course he couldn’t defend those actions or explain away 40 tons of gold and cash, but he had the chance to push some, ANY doubt into the mind of the jury.
This also isn’t like the US, evidence can’t be thrown out of court and doesn’t have to be approved by the court; meaning any exculpatory evidence the defense can find can and does get introduced. If you’re innocent and can prove it in any way, congrats. If you find a filing mistake by the People’s Prosecution, congrats. If you can prove a flaw in their methodology, congrats. ‘The State’ doesn’t set the narrative, the court only exists as a way to to guide the jury on what the law is. It has no relationship with the prosecution.
And yes, the death penalty is reserved for those that cannot be rehabilitated. A man does not come back from literally decades of taking bribes. A man cannot change that drastically overnight, it is pure naivety to think otherwise (and ignorance of psychology). The Norway style of keeping mass murderers alive forever just to… say that they didn’t kill them and feel smug about it does nothing for public safety, and just costs money. All for a smug since of superiority about being kind to people that want to kill you. China was under a dictatorship less than a century ago, they had this whole big revolution about recognizing and not being kind to those people.
You’re vastly overestimating the American market’s shrinking impact on the global economy. China (and international firms using Chinese manufacturing) have been targeting the Chinese domestic market, the growing SEA market, and working to open the EU market (because EU leaders have to realize eventually they can’t possibly compete against China in electronics manufacturing eventually). This added onto the fact the American economy is at it’s lowest point in history (when factoring actual CoL and median Debt-to-Income ratio) and has no signs of slowing its freefall means the FCC has as much power on the international market as Kenya does.
Markets outside the US will likely default to the EU regulatory standards which are close enough to Canadian standards they would just need to pay for the certification costs to pass in Canada.
On the plus side the Nvidia/AMD duopoly will unironically come to an end due to this. Chinese chips are only 5-10 years behind (besides AI Compute chips which are almost on par with Nvidia now) and are around 100x cheaper.
Counter-point, Norway is almost exclusively EV at this point. EVs are fine in cold weather if you have a sensibly built society. At least they aren’t worse than gas or Diesel.
Mass murder is not what’s happening; but your world view is quite common and naive among young aspiring liberals wanting to ignore the violence inherent in your very existence.
You are not unique for wanting incremental peaceful changes. Everyone goes through that phase. Then you start reading history, and theory. Or worse, you actually try to put your ideals into practice and are met with violence that you don’t realize your ideals cannot overcome.
If the world were sunshine and rainbows and not ruled over by pedophiles that literally eat children and flagrantly kill anyone who’s a threat to their power your ideal would be great. Fantastic even. But your ideal is not one born of education or experience. It is born from the lack thereof.
In the real world, the one in which we live, the one in which you know someone (1 in 4 in the US) who has been a victim of Police Violence, the one in which you have met someone (1 in 3 globally) has been a victim of the US Military Industrial Empire, the one in which the leaders of the ‘democratic peaceful free world’ are literally all pedophiliac cannibals, the one in which literally every aspect of your privileged little life comes at the direct cost of a child in Africa or South America or India suffering, violence has to happen.
If we really want to delve into Theory, violence is inherent in the concept of society. Restraining someone is violence, it is a violent act. It is the least violent act that can be taken when they do not agree with your imposed social contract of sunshine and puppies, but it is still violence.
There is no possible way to get to a world without violence, without instituting a hive mind (i.e. eliminating society), Eugenics, or otherwise magically curing the human condition itself. Every possible society will have some violence, because there will always in any evolving society be those that go against what the current Social Contract is. Always. Sometimes for good, sometimes for evil, but there will never be a world where everyone is content — mainly because contentedness means stagnation and we are unlikely to ever be ‘fully’ socially evolved as to call for stagnation. There will always be better to strive for;
But that evolution cannot happen if those with the power and all the capability for violence intentionally stop progress because it hurts their personal progress towards being wealthy. It cannot happen if, with every breath and step we must keep handling those that are against the concept of society with kids’ gloves and pretending they can ever change.
All current science points to the existence of those whom physically cannot understand empathy. They lack the parts of their brain that allow for that. And without empathy, there cannot be society, much less a violence-free society that you and every other real human so desperately wants.
Since Eugenics is bad, and since Mass Murder is bad; that leaves us with the current system — when those with this defect show they have no self control and abuse this defect of theirs to harm the rest of society, we put them down. Education cannot work; and they have nothing in their head stopping them from lying about being rehabilitated, and we have no such technology (and never should) to read minds and figure out if they’re being honest. So the only safe route for all of us, all the real people with empathy to live, is for those that cannot even fake being one of us to die.
The alternative is human history, and one really doesn’t need to look far in human history to understand why we cannot have repeat episodes.
Find a better solution to permanently disabling the power of a person who feels no shame or empathy and who has harmed, in most cases thousands to millions of people; then talk.
…Tibet is a province in China and is openly talked about kiddo. Tibet was, for a period of about 40 years, under a brutal monarchy that had institutionalized child sex slavery. The Dalai Lama is a child sex advocate.
Tibet then did a civil war around the time of China’s revolution, where the main party of the rebellion which I don’t care to look up the name of because Tibetan is mostly nonsense words to me, requested help from the newly freed China. China obliged, with the caveat of Tibet returning to China instead of continuing on as an independent country. Which was greatly preferred during war time at least because, you know, they were spending all their military resources fighting the UK and US backed Tibetan child sex slave government.
After the war, like all provinces Tibet was poor, poorly integrated with the rest of China, and had little access to outside resources… until about the 1990s. Like the rest of China. Now Tibetan culture and language is mandatory for schools in Tibet (like Uyghur in Xinjiang and Mongolian in Inner Mongolia, also there’s that weird muslim group in inner mongolia that actually has their own culture and language requirements in schools that I forget. And I mean weird as in, why did they become muslim that far north east, not that they’re weird for being Muslim.) and Tibet, like Xinjiang, is seeing a golden age of modernization and resources being poured into it.
Because China realized after the East Tukistan terror attacks from Turkey and the US that you can’t have home grown terrorism or dissidence if you just, give people the resources they need to live well and thrive.
…You spread a conspiracy theory not even supported by mainstream US outlets and people reacted badly?!
Jack Ma was not ‘disappeared.’ He was, in fact, brought up on charges that were later dismissed due to his cooperation. This was public news. Because Jack Ma attempted to bribe members of the CPC in order to gain political support for his incredibly unpopular and stupid idea of lessening safety regulations to bring Chinese markets closer to the ‘freedom’ of the US market.
His political movement failed, his bribery attempts were exposed, and unfortunately, he was not punished for them beyond having to issue an apology. Honestly it’s a shame China didn’t actually punish him like your conspiracy theory suggests, given the amount of damage he attempted to do to the Chinese economy and integrity of the People’s congress.
Most human rights agencies were started by “ex” US intelligence members. That’s a true fact btw, really weird fact, but true. That aside no human rights have ever been won nor retained without violence against those withhold and oppressing those rights.
Ever.
While we can always acknowledge all enforcement of laws is violence, some violence is not effective enough to ensure the safety of the people. Certainly not all or even most cases, but in a few cases there is no rehabilitation. There is no recovery. There is no chance the individual ever actually sees what they did as wrong.
And that’s unfortunate. And I would sincerely love to see the utopia in which you dream of, but there would need to be incredible amounts of violence to ever get there, and I don’t think you or other anti-capital punishment advocates have that in you.
Not really, no. While an ideal utopia might successfully eliminate psychopathy and all related disorders falling under that umbrella, or at the very least totally prevent its affects on society, we are not in that ideal utopia and likely won’t reach there as we don’t know what genetics precisely cause it (mainly because rich people do not contribute DNA for research.)
Until we can either safeguard society from its affects or eliminate that particular defect from humanity, whichever is possible, we cannot eliminate capital punishment. There will always be another day, and normal humans are quick to forget and forgive, not to mention just be miseducated on the subject. Just see the deification of figures like Henry Ford, Ted Bundy, or Henry Kissinger for examples. While all but the last had their reputation resurrected long after their death, Kissinger shows this reputation can be changed or hidden from the masses in real time during their lifetime.
Life imprisonment then becomes a Sword of Damocles instead of a solution for these people that objectively, by all current scientific research, cannot physically change what they are or how they think and act. Eventually that Sword will fall, the public will forget, forgive, or be misled about their crimes, and they and their fans and enablers will be free to do their crimes again.
I agree capital punishment is not ideal, no state should have that power, but then again there shouldn’t be states, period; but as there are and we have to live until there’s not… we must have a solution for those that harm masses of workers.
That solution is their crimes being laid bare, a public representative lawyer having every chance to defend them fairly, and a jury panel of either judges or the public deciding their fate; allowing the state to execute the will of the people before the people take matters into their own hands — which is another point to be made; These people will die if they continue their crimes. The people will enact justice with or without the state, and for all the reasons above imprisonment is not seen as justice to those wronged badly enough.
It is much better to have a system handling this than relying on heroes like Luigi Mangione, may his innocence be held up in court, to handle what needs to be handled.
I’m not okay with human rights violations, which is why I support jury trial enabled capital punishment for those committing human rights abuses, like every CEO China has executed.
Murder is when crimes against humanity are prosecuted. You’re so smart.
No, quite the opposite. I would encourage you to learn how to read one day.
Authortiarianism is a made up concept to separate the American public, who during the 1940s very much wanted to side with Nazi Germany and did not want to enter the war, and the ‘Axis of Evil;’ so that the American Military Industrial complex, against the wishes of its people and despite having the exact same ideology as the average fascist, could enter the war and make one of the largest transfers of wealth from poor to rich in world history happen.
It has no actual definition that excludes any government. Meaning it’s a meaningless distinction when you cut through the propaganda Nothing an ‘authoritarian government’ has ever been accused of doing is exclusive to them; and by a prima facie reading of the term gives you the difference between lower case a anarchism and actual society – i.e. nothing useful when discussing the merits of ways to run a society, just the fact a society exists.
Cuba is a democracy. China is a democracy. There’s plenty of propaganda that says otherwise because they do not do their government in English and Americans are the least linguistically capable peoples in the history of the world so it’s difficult for you people to check anything. Because learning spanish is just too difficult. There’s plenty of differences in how those democracies function compared to ‘liberal western democracy’ or US democracy. None of them are more ‘authoritarian’ than the others.