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      Sounds like they where landing. Hence she had to sit as well. The guy probably could have waited till he was in the airport.

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    WTF, OP? I had to find an archive to get the rest of the text, and there was a lot more to the story. As usual, United has fully lived down to its abysmally low standards.

    For anyone else who has zero intentions of paying for a NBC subscription for one article, here’s an archive link. There are known problems with the site, but I could not find another archive that had the content. Use at your own discretion:

    https://archive.ph/xUswb

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      Holy shit, this is infuriating. And then they try to gaslight her in email.

      That fucking guy should have been arrested and banned forever from the airline. I have no idea what the fuck the crew was thinking.

      I hope she can press charges and sue the airline, IANAL but it seems like she has a solid case, given how NBC judged her story to be true and newsworthy.

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        The problem might be on your end, because both links are working fine for me.

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            It loads fine in Vanadium, Firefox and elinks. Not sure what you’re going on about. It seems like this is a problem with either your connection or your setup, rather than the website, considering myself and others have accessed it fine.

            • diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de
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              They are probably talking about ReCaptcha. Loads for me from my normal IP (still has a chance to show up) but not from Tor. Latter passable in Tor Browser when fucking with the regular challenge for a while then doing the audio.

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                FWIW, the captcha didn’t trigger for me in Vanadium over a VPN, so it’s not as if you have to completely disable any privacy measures to access it, at least.

          • remon@ani.social
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            Why should I try something different when it’s already working? You are the one with the problem. Maybe you should try a less security hardened browser as it might be the cause of your problem.

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    Anyone who got past the paywall know what protocol was violated? From the information available, I’m sincerely unsure of what they could have done. Were they supposed to go up the aisle asking someone else to sit next to the masturbator? Were they supposed to swap one of them to one of the flight attendant seats? Can they even detain the guy after landing? I legitimately don’t know what they’re supposed to do in this situation, other than provide information for the victim to press charges

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      I feel like an attendant should have swapped seats with her. Because a) it’s the right thing to do and b) to cover the airline’s ass a bit.

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          Flight attendants have duties to attend to in case of an emergency upon landing. For example, opening doors and deploying evacuation slides. For that, they have to be at their stations.

          If there were extra, off-duty crew aboard, that would have been reasonable. They could have asked if they had any law enforcement personnel aboard, or asked for volunteers.

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      Public masturbation is illegal. The protocol is probably to inform the commander and law enforcement and ask the person to stop, and restraining him if he does not comply.

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        Yeah I suspect the “let him leave” wasn’t down to United in this case, if law enforcement doesn’t want to pick him up at deboarding they can’t do much. Hopefully he gets charged, but it’d require the police to detain him on touchdown.

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            Yeah that was my point, sorry if I expressed it badly. That he’ll probably be charged, but detainment if warranted would have come down to the police picking him up, related to a criminal charge and independent of a civil case by United.

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        Well, that’s probably why they let him leave, nobody wants to touch that guy with a ten foot pole, let alone restrain him.

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          Pretty sure it was that. They could still have thrown some blankets on him and binded his wrists to the seat.

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              Yes, they duct tape people who pose a threat of death or serious injury to passengers and/or crew.

              Someone with deficient stealth-jacking skills disgusts and offends passengers and crew, but doesn’t threaten injury. Restraints are not justified.

              There is a rather large community of people recording and storing radio communication between pilots and ATC. Chance are pretty good we’ll hear whether the pilots requested law enforcement at the gate. If they failed to request law enforcement, that would be on the pilots and airline. If law enforcement failed to respond, that would be on the cops.

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                Someone with deficient stealth-jacking skills disgusts and offends passengers and crew, but doesn’t threaten injury. Restraints are not justified.

                If you’re hit with someone’s spunk nonconsensually, I think that counts as injury or some approximate of that, legally.

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                  It’s certainly harm, and justified law enforcement intervention. But it’s not a “open the emergency exit door in flight” level of harm. Nobody is threatened with death or grievous bodily harm here. Forceful intervention would increase that risk, rather than reducing it.

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        Restraining him is almost definitely not something the flight crew should attempt. Flight crew are not trained for this and could get injured. It could also easily escalate the situation and the last thing you want is a fight on board while in air. That could cause danger to the plane or other passengers. Asking him to stop and detaining him after landing would probably be the protocol.

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            I am technically trained in CPR. You absolutely shouldn’t rely on my CPR skills if there is another choice. Wrangling a deranged person is difficult even for people with ample training and experience (e.g. cops), let alone for flight crew with very basic training. If the person is not a danger to himself or others, there is no reason they would escalate the situation during flight.

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            “deranged” meaning “posing a physical threat to passengers and crew”.

            Stealth-jacking is certainly offensive, but it is a disgusting offense, not a threatening offense.