That’s not equal. Women can’t abandon the baby after it’s born either. It takes two to make a baby. Men have the final say over their own bodies just as women do.
Genuinely curious, how is it not equal that when abortion is available, the male has no way of saying “I don’t want a child”
Youre right, it takes two to have a child. Condoms still break, birth control fails, people lie. The entire reason we want abortions to be legal is for the edge cases exactly like this so they don’t have to resort to unsafe pregnancies or having an unwanted child.
In the US, in some states, even if you try to simply run away the gal is forced to put down any name as the father, and he will be held accountable for the child whether he agreed or not.
Genuinely curious, how is it not equal that when abortion is available, the male has no way of saying “I don’t want a child”
Because in that case, only one parent can abandon the child. That’s not equal. It’s saying men have no real responsibility for their children, only women do.
The entire reason we want abortions to be legal is for the edge cases exactly like this
No, the reason we have abortions is that pregnancy is harmful for women. It cripples you for weeks. It makes you unable to work for months. Women die every year from pregnancy complications. Abortion is about the woman’s right to healthcare, not the insentient clump of cells. Parental rights are about the live baby.
In the US, in some states, even if you try to simply run away the gal is forced to put down any name as the father, and he will be held accountable for the child whether he agreed or not.
Which he should be, because it’s his baby. He made it just as much as the woman did. The man’s time to opt out is different from the woman’s because of biology, but he still had the opportunity to opt out.
Ahh so you’re just going to victim blame gotcha. You don’t even pretend to have a solution, just that well the man had sex so it’s his fault. Even though my entire message was explicity for the people trapped into this situation similar to how many woman are forced to continue a pregnancy.
That’s literally reality. The baby is the result of a man and a woman having sex, not just the woman. The baby is both parents’ child, not just one’s parent. There isn’t a “solution”, because that’s not a problem. It WOULD be a problem if one could abandon their child with no consequences, which is why they can’t.
actually, a child doesn’t have a legal right to a parent. for example, my birth certificate doesn’t list a father. legally, I never had one. of course, practically speaking, I also didn’t have one.
That’s not equal. Women can’t abandon the baby after it’s born either. It takes two to make a baby. Men have the final say over their own bodies just as women do.
Genuinely curious, how is it not equal that when abortion is available, the male has no way of saying “I don’t want a child”
Youre right, it takes two to have a child. Condoms still break, birth control fails, people lie. The entire reason we want abortions to be legal is for the edge cases exactly like this so they don’t have to resort to unsafe pregnancies or having an unwanted child.
In the US, in some states, even if you try to simply run away the gal is forced to put down any name as the father, and he will be held accountable for the child whether he agreed or not.
Because in that case, only one parent can abandon the child. That’s not equal. It’s saying men have no real responsibility for their children, only women do.
No, the reason we have abortions is that pregnancy is harmful for women. It cripples you for weeks. It makes you unable to work for months. Women die every year from pregnancy complications. Abortion is about the woman’s right to healthcare, not the insentient clump of cells. Parental rights are about the live baby.
Which he should be, because it’s his baby. He made it just as much as the woman did. The man’s time to opt out is different from the woman’s because of biology, but he still had the opportunity to opt out.
Ahh so you’re just going to victim blame gotcha. You don’t even pretend to have a solution, just that well the man had sex so it’s his fault. Even though my entire message was explicity for the people trapped into this situation similar to how many woman are forced to continue a pregnancy.
That’s literally reality. The baby is the result of a man and a woman having sex, not just the woman. The baby is both parents’ child, not just one’s parent. There isn’t a “solution”, because that’s not a problem. It WOULD be a problem if one could abandon their child with no consequences, which is why they can’t.
I mean for the same period of time abortion is allowed.
That doesn’t change anything. If the child is born, it’s yours, and you can’t abandon it. The child has a right to a parent, and you are the parent.
Most (all?) states have safe haven places where you absolutely can abandon your baby no questions asked
actually, a child doesn’t have a legal right to a parent. for example, my birth certificate doesn’t list a father. legally, I never had one. of course, practically speaking, I also didn’t have one.