Including possession? What will they do, demand all users in the UK to unlock their devices for regular content scans?
Banning porn where the actors pretend that what they’re doing is almost illegal is wild. What’s next, prison time if they say that one of the participants is just over the age of consent?
Nah, I want to know when they finally ban the really vile stuff. You know, all those murders on the screen in, oh I don’t know, 70% of all fictional works?
That they seriously consider step porn as worse than murder shows that it is all about control and not about morals.
Talking about banning porn is just outrage porn for those for and against it. The point is to drive home surveillance state and most importantly drive discussion away from things that actually matter and the people in power desperately want people not to talk about or take notice. Modern liberal politics is very much an art of pretending to do something when actually doing nothing and just acting as the guarddog of even decaying society that has been politically hermetically sealed for the benefit of the top 1% funder class.
They need to have some violence in media, how else would you recruit tomorrows policemen and soldiers.
dont you mean brownosers and cannon fodder. also add in a little, degrading education standards, and funding helps.
A key clause not included in the headline and only briefly mentioned in the article is that this doesn’t ban all step-porn. It only bans the step-porn if one of the actors pretends to be under 18.
From gov.uk:
The first of these vital measures will ban anyone from possessing or publishing harmful pornography that shows incest between family members, and sex between step or foster relations where one person is pretending to be under 18.
A further amendment will criminalise the publication and possession of pornography where an adult is roleplaying as a child.
(edited to update link)
Isn’t an adult pretending to be a child in porn already illegal? That seems like something that would always have been illegal.
That seems like a weirdly specific way to just say that age of consent laws apply to the stated ages of the actors. The UK’s age of consent is 16, or 18 if the other person is in a position of power (like a step-parent is).
Britain + Some early 20s girl shouts “I want you daddy!” to some late 20s guy = Jail!
The Coalition of the Geriatrically Sexless proclaim the following:
tackling this vile content will make our country a safer place for women
Doubt.
Generally, the effect of all the “for children” laws and parties etc is exactly the opposite.
Obviously the best thing the UK government can do to protect women is
a mass purge of the corrupt justice system that let rape cases go entirely uninvestigated for at least a decadeban stepbrother incest porn.
When banging your step mum is legal but watching a fictional video of someone else banging their step mum is illegal 🤪 welcome to the UK ladies and gentlemen.
It’s legal if you submit your ID to the government and have it recorded in the masterbaitorbase that you whacked off to that video. What, don’t make it weird… /s
“Oi! Yew got a loicence fer that Stepmother? Roigt, oim gonna ave to clamp those jugs untill such toime as that courts decoide”
Diabolical.
That’s just gonna be the plot of another piece of porn specifically produced for the UK
Ted Cruz is a good UK Citizen now?
Fighter for liberty?
That bitch didn’t even fight for his wife.
Be sure you don’t call a genocide a genocide. Wouldn’t be proper.
That would legally be “supporting terrorism” and socially be “anti-semitism”.
But what about if you need to evidence that you had sex with your step-mom, you know, for the normal legal reasons?
Well, it’s not really different to supporting a genocidal fascist dictatorship and declaring everyone who supports their victims “terrorists”…
The world is an idiocracy and the majority of humanity are mentally ill. The world would not be as fucking stupid and insane as it is if the average person was logical.
…if the people weren’t intentionally under-educated and manipulated en masse for generations to prefer illogical, irrational, and self-destructive patterns by their respective “government”.
FTFY.
To be fair, the headline is overblown since they are banning step-incest porn where one of the individuals is pretending to be underage.
Which begs the question of “what do they mean by pretending to be underage?” I seriously doubt any of the actors are going to claim to be underage in the video as that would get their videos removed from any mainstream platform. Another user suggested that this is based on body type meaning petite actresses are going to be the ones targeted as being “illegal” just for existing as they are despite being of age.
if a 90 year old lady puts on a twintail wig and wears a skirt she’s going STRAIGHT to jail for 5 years, god bless the
queenkingIf they ban Vina Sky, I’m going on strike. If they don’t, I’m going on stroke
Yeah, it looks very vague and possible targeting videos that don’t exist, have no effect and still give Starmer a political win?
Starmer could use it but his reverse hand of midas is going to turn it to shit no matter who.
I never understood this whole step porn thing, but this is ridiculous lol
Yeah.
I don’t get it, it’s weird, but is it 5 years in jail weird? No.
it’s taboo. that’s all there is to get.
taboos are sexy.
It cheap to make. The “story” is simple but explains why these two people live in the same house without it being incest.
That’s my understanding of why it’s so common too.
Though I suppose there’s some reason for concern, if you’re really opposed to the concept of it. I view it sorta on the same spectrum as things like ‘facials’ and how wildly popular those have seemingly become – a filming norm from a long time ago that mostly aimed to show/prove that the guy had cum, turns into something people do regularly because they’d seen it so much in porn. Same for things like anal, or many of the more mainstream fetishes/content – it becomes largely normalized by its prevalence in porn.
Sorta like how that Dingus guy, Mayor in Ohio, got caught sniffing his step daughters panties. Dude prolly thought it’d be the start of a raunchy good time, where she catches him and then admits her lust for his old flabby limp dick dad bod.
The problem there isn’t the porn, it’s morons thinking porn is representing reality.
Representation matters, even in fantasy. Just ask Disney, JK Rowling, right leaning “It’s ok to be white!” advocates and left leaning “More brown Mermaids!” progressives. Though they may disagree on who should get represented, all parties involved generally agree that representation seems to matter a whole lot. To say that it doesn’t, only in the realm of (generally) cis men, would seem to me like discriminating against men – not allowing them the same social courtesy/context for forgiveness as women and other groups.
What the fuck are you talking about? What does this have to do with pornography?
Ok, an ELI5 for you since you seem to need it:
Human beings on aggregate are dumb monkeys. When human see media depicting dumb monkeys doing something, many humans are inclined to try doing same thing.
Slightly less ELI5 – groups that advocate for things like representation of minorities in media, typically argue that negative representations of ethnic minorities results in increased racism in the general public towards those minorities, as well as the internalisation of those negative stereotypes by minorities. If, for example, black people are only ever shown in media as being gangsters and drug dealers, more black people will lean into that sort of marginalized/negative ‘professions’, and non-black people will have an inherent bias against them due to the prevalence of the stereotype. If they’re shown images/media that shows black people in positions like doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc, then more black people will aspire to emulate those images / move into those fields, and other people will be more accepting/less prejudice against them in those positions. Similarly, if men are shown a ton of step-incest porn, or porn that depicts violence towards partners, they’re more inclined to do those things. Step-incest is generally a huge negative outside of the fantasy realm, as things like a step dad + step daughter is pretty damn close to rape in many situations. Sorta like landlord porn – these things are not ok, but they get normalised through porn and then re-enacted by dumb monkeys like that idiot Ohio mayor or the dude on the cruise line who sexually assaulted and killed his step sister.
The significance of representation in media is basically an established concept. Left-wing sorts want more diverse representation because it leads to more equitable perspectives in the broader community – Right-leaning sorts often argue against more diverse representation as it chips away at what they consider ‘social norms’. Neither side argues that representation doesn’t matter, but rather, about who should be represented.
To pretend like this sort of thing doesn’t also impact porn, and/or to say that men are just idiots if they emulate things they see in porn, is to go against the idea that media representation matters, and to turn a blind eye to the stats that show these things DO impact dumb monkey behaviours. And to ignore this aspect of media, just in the case of men’s sexual urges/porn, is to do so in a way that disadvantages just men, placing all accountability onto the individual man, absolving the system/norms that have facilitated those negative activities/actions. When black people in the 80s were depicted as stereotypes, it was part of what’s generally termed systemic racism, which fed into a cycle of black people embracing those stereotypical professions. We don’t tend to hold individuals solely accountable for issues stemming from systemic wrongs. So why would we put all the blame on men, in cases when they’ve been shown step-incest porn, for emulating the tropes they’ve been taught in step-incest porn?
Besides, porn writers have just been lazy as shit in over-using that trope. You’ve got sites just reshooting the same boring tired-ass scenes with different shitty actors going through the motions, and hitting pretty much all the same poses and dialogue check boxes. Demand better from your pornographers. Hell, if pornographers were to routinely show more realistic pickups / ways to meet women outside of just “I live with you because we’re sorta related, oops my dick slipped in!”, maybe there wouldn’t be so many incel boys who can’t figure out how to approach women.
Hard disagree. People are responsible for there actions. Not the media they consume. We live in the real world with a multitude of influences to teach us how to act right. Media is fantasy, you can derive inspiration from it but it’s not a guideline for behavior. Literally talking to a single individual woman should be sufficient to show a rational individual that pornography is not depicting real scenarios. Millions of people are watching this shit and there’s a handful who are a problem and is there actually even a direct link between their actions and having viewed this shit? People have been sexually assaulting their children and subordinates for as long as there have been people. Assholes are always going to be assholes.
Help me Step Big Brother! I’m stuck with my government in my bedroom!
You guys in the UK better burn any copies of Game of Thrones you might have around. The show wasn’t that good as to be worth the jail time.
On a side note, is the UK alright?
No, the UK is not alright. They’ve been banning a lot of stuff lately. And I mean a lot. It’s comparable to even the Deep South of the US, and that’s hardly an exaggeration. The worst part is that most of it seems to truly be a bipartisan effort.
That’s just bollocks mate. What have we banned? Porn needs ID, yes that’s puritanical, but nothing a VPN can’t sort. We are NOTHING like the deep south.
Banning the step-sibling porn is weird AF, granted, but beyond poorly conceived and weirdly puritanical porn rules, I’d much rather have Keir in charge than that decaying, semi-literate lunatic half the US inexplicably worship.
The concept of privacy on the internet for one thing. VPNs as well, or perhaps that was only an attempt. ID verification to go to Wikipedia is an interesting idea, that, funnily enough, I can’t say that even Alabama has done.
Ingsoc is already here.
It’s “bipartisan” because we live in capitalist dictatorships, and the fascist oligarchy have given their marching orders to the politicians they own.
I mean GoT is horrible garbage, but that’s independent from this article.
Game of Thrones was awesome, the last season was garbage I will give you that.
Fucking Martin, still waiting on winds of winter, that fat fucker is going to keel over before he finishes it. He’s not even trying.
No, the UK is not alright. They are worse off than the US, less the blowhard leadership. As of yet.
They are worse off than the US
No one here is building concentration camps or deporting natural born citizens lol, but keep telling yourself that.
Absolute nonsense. I dislike our government but all the other alternatives would shift us further right. I’m not a fan of Keir, but he’s pushed back on Trump’s mad war and, in terms of policy, Labour is the UKs most liberal mainstream party.
I may be stateside but i’m still amazed that a party that’s supposed to be truly left-leaning is putting out alt-right policies in the U.K.
It bugs me sometimes that Labour gets to claim it’s centre-left when it so consistently is fascist.
You’re diluting the term fascist.
am i? they implement draconian mass surveilance measures, reinforce racism, and tolerate a shocking degree of transphobia. when i look at the things the labour party has done in my life, i see a littany right-wing populist actions that undermine left-wing populist movements. if we use the definition of fascism that fascism is right-wing populism undercutting left-wing populism, i find it hard to see Labour as something other than the slick clean wide smiling acceptable version of Britain’s Ur-Fascism spearheaded by the Conservative and Union Party
Yes, you are. If you go purely on definitions and comparisons to actual fascism, you’re wide off the mark. But sure, “vibes” is where we are these days with reasoning.
@makingrain ‘deluting’ is not a word. Well, it could be. It could mean to take someone’s lute away.
I believe you mean DILUTING, which is the act of reducing the concentration or strength of something by addition of a moderating agent.
In this case, I might use ‘diminish’ instead.
Thanks for the useless comment. I edited the typo within seconds but the way thr fediverse works, edits don’t broadcast. I’m sure you knew that already seeing as you know everything.
Thou doth protest too much 😏
What are you doing back there, step-government?
hes stuck.
Washing my money 👍
Labour had a historical chance after the Tories have fucked it up so much, and they’re just doing shit all the time
Hopefully the Green party can save UK
It seems Labour is trying to speed run a Reform government.
Not a chance, sadly.
The Greens are anti nuclear nimbys, they would plunge the UK into even further trouble especially with their lala land economics. Their immigration policy is also troubling as in the world we currently live in near open borders would collapse the welfare system the UK currently has & also furthers brain drain from poorer countries.
(I am not against immigration in principle but their stated policy on the matter is absolutely nuts, Marx wrote about how we should invest in the global south and help them up to better living standards, not decemate their domestic talent pool.)
Tounchosukd check out https://greensfornuclear.energy/
They propose changing green party policy on energy to be more practical than idealist.
When the green party is a minor party, being idealistic is more important. It helps to guide the policy of bigger parties to prevent losing votes to them. When they are bigger or wish to be involved in government, practical reasonable policy is more important.
Regarding immigration, open borders can be the final ideal and that can be in a phased way. There is no problem with higher immigration if there are the resources to deal with it. In fact its a benefit for the host country and the immigrant, usually. Most economic migrants come seeking work not handouts. Most economic migrants work the jobs that locals don’t want to work. It does have a downward effect on wages, though.
Like everything, gradual change to ideal policy is usually the best way forwards.
Thats nice but until their MPs stop trying to block vital infrastructure & continue to complain about nuclear projects ill never vote for them. Their current policy and actions are something that mean I will never vote for them unless its explicitly changed, which a campaign group doesnt satisfy.
That’s fair but when tories are awful for generations, Labor are centre right at this point and lib Dems are useless and trust evaporates instantly, it limits your options.
Luckily I can vote SNP.
That’s cloae enough to green and policies for the people, not the powerful for me. Only issue I have isbthatbforba party that wanted independence, thrybseemed to have no actual plan after the referendum. What would happen to pensions, government services, national insurance contributions etc. Now they won’t get a vote for years again and that’s after brecit, which was a reason to stay. There’s idealism and there’s competency!
How’s Hinkley Point C coming along? Awesome nuclear technology, such cheap and clean energy, much wow.
Like it or not, but not going nuclear is the economically sound decision these days.
And
I am not against immigration, but…
Hear, hear! How much stereotype is allowed in one comment?
Is it a crime to fuck your step sister and step mother?
Not in the UK, according to the article
You’re not blood-related, and I can’t see how a meaningless title could make it illegal.
The Ministry of Justice said that possessing and publishing porn showing incest between family members and sex between step or foster relatives where one person pretends to be under-18 would be a crime.
So it’s only a crime if they pretend to be under-18, and I haven’t seen any porno where anyone pretends to be under-18. There’s literally a category called barely 18. No one ever pretends to be under, but they do pretend to be barely-18.
Jess Asato, the Labour MP for Lowestoft, said: ‘After many years of campaigning to ensure online pornographic content is subject to the same rules as offline content,
When the fuck was under-18 porn ever legal? WTF? Also, isn’t the age of consent in the UK 16 years old?
What the fuck is the point of this? Why the fuck is it needed? Who is it helping? What is it fixing? NOTHING.
Fucking jokers… Go tax the billionaires and fix the NHS and the cost of the living crisis you cunts .
The thing is they really don’t have grounds to ban “step” porn, but this will make their supporters think “he is going after them gross porn people” while downloading a VPN. It might have a chilling effect on porn producers, for a few minutes, but unless your porn had an actor explicitly state “I’m under 18” you are probably ok. I know this is UK based but the whole point of the law " act cool for my voters" is pretty universal.
If you read further you see this, though:
“Step-incest pornography and that which depicts performers as children is abhorrent”
So it’s not just if they pretend to be under 18. I think. I don’t know. I don’t think they know either. I think they’re trying to score cheap political points.
The UK truly is one of the biggest jokes of a country.
Sometimes I think the US is fucking stupid, but then there is the UK always ten steps ahead 1-uping us left and right.
thought they’d kicked the Puritans out centuries ago, but no
Oh come on. The behaviour of the US leadership over the last 6 months cannot be upped in terms of stupid.
How so? We pushed back on that moronic cult leader that somehow has half the US in his thrall.We have socialised healthcare and a welfare state and we don’t have mass shootings.
I don’t really think losing underage-presenting incest porn is the smoking gun you guys think it is.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a silly step and is another example of Keir pointlessly trying to woo a right wing media that fully despises him and has shareholder interest in his failure.
If he would just fucking wake up and learn that he doesn’t need to dance to their game, as proven by his popularity boost for not sucking Trump’s dick over Iran - despite the hate he got from the press.
Compared to the US you’re advanced, sure. So is Mexico, South Africa, China, and 40 other countries… The problem is the NK-propaganda level of silly laws and procedures that have come from your nightmare island.
This is one of them, 5-years for roleplay. For adults pretending to be something in an adult setting meant for adults. Are you going to ban every show that has murder? Are you going to say anyone that pretends to be a pedophile of a TV show gets 20 years in therapy for daring to bring that immorality to the British public? Are you going to give ten years for interracial? How about go full US and ban sodomy? Will you be banning doggy style for promoting bestiality?
And don’t get me wrong, it’s not just this particular bit of nonsense. Raves, for instance. Recently the UK sent multiple SWAT teams to a rave because, and I quote “The UK’s Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (specifically Sections 63-65) empowers police to stop outdoor gatherings of 20 or more people (100 in some definitions) playing music “wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats”.”
I’m sorry but that law is so ridiculously vague and hilariously worded that Monty Python could sue. Literally this is ‘man goes shopping for his ant’ era of the Flying Circus in how specifically ridiculous that is.
And you can’t say this is olden time nonsense – these are modern laws written for modern Britain. This is post Thatcher. And it’s this level of silly. Every story that comes out of the UK falls into three categories:
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Monty Python’s Law and Order SVU.
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Benny Hill’s The Rise of the Fourth Reich (seriously why is the labor party more right wing that UKIP now?)
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Jimmy Carr’s Here’s another English word the English don’t use right.
The Criminal Justice bill is 30 years old and was Tory legislation. I remember marching against it at the time, and I’ve attended countless raves since.
This wild idea perpetuated in the US that we live in some sort of Police State is absurd. Source: me, my friends and family and almost everyone I know who actually live here.
Keir was one of the few who (finally) stood up to that blustering man-child that you guys have. Labour are far, far from perfect, but to say they’re more right wing than UKIP is a seriously odd take.
Borther 30 years 60 years, it does not matter; you are sending swat to raves literally this week. under labor, for a law written by monty python that literally criminalizes every single march or statistically every group of 20^2 people walking in any given space..
This wild idea perpetuated in the US that we live in some sort of Police State is absurd.
It’s not the US, it’s the entire rest of the world. All europeans make fun of your prison island. Heck the only reason most European countries interacted with you all pre-brexit was because you were on the right side of WWII… eventually.
Are you quite a police state? You are the closest thing one could describe as a police state, from prison time for criticizing the government, saying the UK shouldn’t participate in a genocide, to not being able to buy a butter knife without ID.
The only thing you are missing is harsher punishments for your ridiculous ‘crimes,’ but I think that might actually cause a revolution in your country.
Keir was one of the few who (finally) stood up to that blustering man-child that you guys have.
Keir is a blustering man child, and a genocidal monster.
And no, plenty of leaders have stood up to Trump, the UK was slow on the uptake to that but the world has been resisting Trump.
Labour are far, far from perfect, but to say they’re more right wing than UKIP is a seriously odd take.
UKIP does not support Israel’s genocide, somehow. The Labour Party, after removing all the progressives and socialists because of ‘antiemitism’ does. Actively endorsing and participating in genocide makes you more right wing that just planning and endorsing one.
Whatever man. I live and work here, and my lived experience couldn’t be further than your selective hyperbole.
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As always, the first computers you should check when anyone tries to ban consensual porn that harms no one, are the computers of the ones proposing the ban.
The Ministry of Justice said that possessing and publishing porn showing incest between family members and sex between step or foster relatives where one person pretends to be under-18 would be a crime.
This reads like its only banned if someone also pretends to be under 18?
IDK but I thought porn depicting minors was generally banned in most countries?
don’t know if porn depicting an adult pretending to be a minor actually qualifies, but that feels like an extremely thorny topic.
Eventually a line needs to be drawn. I think that publishing porn of any sort that flirts with cp is not acceptable, step or not. Same for loli anime content or the whole doll bullshit : if it looks like a kid just don’t.
All the rest if fine as long as it’s consensual.
