• rumba@lemmy.zip
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    19 days ago

    Just tax the fucking things already. Fuck tax breaks and kick out any administrators who take the bribes and go against the wishes of their constituents.

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      19 days ago

      Woah woah woah, let’s not get hasty. I say we dismember the administrators for taking bribes. Why just kick them out?

      • binux@sh.itjust.works
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        19 days ago

        Ah, the chimpanzee method.

        It really weirds me out that gratuitous violence as a response to societal injustice is so common on Lemmy, if not across Humanity as a whole. Like let’s say this back-to-basics style of justice comes about in modern society and all the relevant assholes are subjected to it. What then? At least, what would the violence even be in the name of? Retribution? How is that productive in any way?

        I realize this is a pretty disproportionate response to a relatively banal comment, but I see sentiments such as this one (either intended as sarcasm or not) so often here that I’m essentially using this as a catch-all spot for my thoughts on it.

        I’ll just end this tangent with a quote about this sort of thing from a guy way smarter than me (and I promise I’m not just trying to be pretentious it actually applies.)

        Absolute freedom mocks at justice. Absolute justice denies freedom. To be fruitful, the two ideas must find their limits in each other. - My buddy Albert Camus

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    19 days ago

    While I’m not a fan of Big tech, but this surely is nonsense. Are they saying there are more vibrations than, say, living in New York? Near those train lines and billions of cars (and there are probably data centers there too).

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        18 days ago

        I’d be really hesitant with Benn’s videos here. I think Andy Masley has a pretty solid piece describing how they are likely incorrect and possibly even deceptive. There’s enough reasons to hate data center expansions and AI that I don’t think it’s particularly helpful to promote ideas like infrasound majorly affecting our health, as I’d think it dilutes some otherwise important arguments with things that are factually dubious.

        https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center-and

        • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          18 days ago

          No offense but that blog is a massive wall of text that is equal to asking someone to read a whole scientific paper (which is too much to ask for in the current context of discussion).
          I came as far as dissecting the video about the DCs. It’s not much, maybe 1/10 of the total length.

          It seems okayish written but I can’t add much else opinion to it as I havent read much further :/ I am sorry.

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            18 days ago

            It is definitely quite the piece, it took me a couple days to get through myself, but I would definitely not say such efforts are too much for the discussion. Disproving misinformation/misconceptions almost always require a lot more effort than sharing them does, and the topic of infrasound harming humans is one that’s really only provable through scientific studies.

            That being said as a tl;dr for his post:

            Masley is a former physics teacher who works with Effective Altruism. He begins with talking about the body of literature on infrasound, noting how the current consensus indicates it’s only harmful when it’s either normally audible (i.e. normal noise pollution) or loud enough to physically interact with you (similar to how you can feel a jet engine when it takes off). He also talks about how the idea that non-audible infrasound being harmful is basically a pseudoscientific idea that was created to make people afraid of wind turbines, which has generally been considered disproven.

            He also goes over each of Benn’s claims from his three videos and discusses how basically all of his points fail into one of

            • They showcase how there is a real harmful effect, but it’s caused by either mundane noise pollution, infrasound that’s entirely audible (therefore just normal noise pollution), or infrasound loud enough you can physically feel it. It’s also probably noteworthy to note that data centers generally don’t show up in these categories, instead being in the non-audible infrasound.
            • Benn showcases a study or other source that claims either the exact opposite or inconclusive evidence for the point he’s using it for.
            • Benn showcases a study or other source that has repeatedly failed to replicate or stand up to peer review.
            • The participants reporting effects more likely due to the nocebo effect.

            He also gets in touch with authors from the studies that Benn cites, and the ones that get back to him seem to agree with the bogus framing.

            Masley also notes often how deceptive the framing and designs that Benn uses are, such as:

            • Using the UV Spectrum of light and its ability to cause cancer to imply that other invisible things, such as infrasound, are harmful.
            • Creating a study that basically fails on every metric to be a genuinely rigorous study while portraying it as meaningful.
            • Benn claims the body of literature on infrasound is sparse often, when there seems to be a lot of works showing the contrary.
            • Benn tries to give credence to some extremely dubious experiments like the Vic Tandy ghost story, that are really bad science.

            Masley also notes how Benn seems to make a number of mistakes that he should have expertise in as an audio engineer, so he generally comes to the conclusion that this is intentional deception on Benn’s part.

            His big point in the end is that, treating infrasound like a really big problem draws attention away from worse problems like air and water pollution; it also muddies the message with factually unsound claims that can make other more meaningful concerns about data centers, pollution, or similar problems more easily dismissable by critics.

            It is definitely worth a read as I’m likely forgetting and skipping a lot here, and Masley was pretty specific about a lot (which does get him into pedantic arguments with Benn later).

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              15 days ago

              Your summary was exactly what I needed to at least form a basic opinion (very basic) and (up the point at which I stopped the article) came to the same conclusion as your summary.

              Edit: Thank you for taking the time for the TLDR (doesnt matter to me if AI or not)

  • Treczoks@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    Have a number of big fans run at almost the same frequency, and you get an onslaught of waves at the differences of those frequencies.

    As they are all nearly the same speed/frequency, the differences will be infrasound, which causes a lot of odd effects on people, like anxiety.