I mean if an immigrant gets US Citizenship, whatever food they make from then on is technically, by definition “American Food”.
I mean like you can’t be calling food made by while people “American food” then if a non-white person makes it is not “American”??? Be consistent lmao.
American food is corn syrup.
American food is whatever I eat in America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I don’t think people really realize how much food has changed in the past few centuries. I was talking with this Pakistani dude and he was telling me about this traditional dish. Like half the ingredients were from the Columbian exchange.
The amount and variety of spices we have is just crazy in a historical context. For most humans for most of human history, meals consisted of grains in a pot, whatever veggies you could scrounge up (which looked very little like they do today), and a little meat if you were lucky.
Well at least our Finnish national dish is still traditional. Take cubed beef and pork. Put them in water. Add salt. Put on heat for a sufficient amount of time.
That’s it.
Fancy modern versions have peppers and whatnot but traditionally it’s just salt.
God damn, finally one of those 2 something for you channels on lemmy! They were funny
My favorite will always be wartime foods. Shit on a shingle and spam on rice are fucking amazing.
Beans on toast is prime 🤌 Toast with butter and marmite. Glug of Worcestershire. Grate some parmesan. Cracked pepper.
It especially hits on a cold snowy day
What about post wartime foods? After WWII in Japan there was a hotel that had a ton of surplus ketchup, so one chef decided that putting it on pasta wouldn’t be a crime against humanity. Despite the fact that he was wrong, it still persists as a popular dish to this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naporitan
That’s unholy and should be cleansed with fire and chanting.
I tried to get into ketchup spaghetti. I tried
Why would you do that to yourself? I was tricked into eating it because I saw red sauce on spaghetti and decided that of course it was pasta sauce. Why would anyone ever not put pasta sauce on pasta? I had to stop myself from spitting it out when the weird sweet sensation that was supposed to be savory hit me.
Had the same reaction when I tried to find tomato/vegetable juice and it was similarly disgustingly sweet. Who puts sugar in vegetable juice? Just drink a smoothie with fruit ffs.
Peasant food, because peasants knew how to feed a family with cheap hearty ingredients, which keep you full. Whenever you imagine a cozy “I’m ready for a nap after eating” meal, it is almost always peasant food that you’re imagining.
I’m pretty sure I would want a nap after eating an entire beef wellington, but I wouldn’t call that peasant food.
Seriously. I love Korean army stew.
Isn’t chicken Parmesan technically a New York dish?
TIL the chicken parmie is from NY. Although we Aussies have it served with hot chips, salad, and lager, instead of with pasta.
Do you throw some shrimp on the parmie?
I’m sorry, but I couldn’t help myself.
Partner (UK) and I (US) talk about this a lot. I felt this way, but she pointed out to me that the US is astonishingly good at taking dishes from other countries and putting a spin on them, such as changes in texture or combinations. Once I started to pay attention I agreed.
We fry it, add fat, carbs, and/or add sugar.
Done.
It’s also about fusing different cuisines together, to make something new. America is the big melting pot, and that means you end up getting flavor palettes that otherwise wouldn’t have been brought together.
Traditional Mexican food isn’t anywhere near as spicy or as cheesy as Tex-mex, for instance. That’s because Texans took the traditional Mexican cuisine, combined it with American peppers and English+North American aged orange cheeses, and created Tex-mex. Tex-mex also tends to rely on flour instead of corn, because Mexico had red/yellow/white maize (and later, modern yellow corn) while American settlers had wheat.
And then California Mexican food is an entirely different third type of food.
Hell, my favorite local pizza joint sells a chicken tikka masala pizza that is fucking wonderful. We have a really big North Indian population in my area, so lots of the local restaurants have veggie options (India is largely vegetarian) and/or Indian spice blends incorporated into some of their menu items.
Yes! Great demonstrations of what she talks about. The biggest complaint she has is that we will go to a place, let’s say it’s a Vietnamese place, and it will be really good but not at all authentic. She wishes those were called what they are, Vietnamese American Fusion. Like, take pride in this thing you created.
Only two of those four are unhealthy.
But also, I know a fellow southerner when I see one.
Mmm, acorn bread and beaver cheese.
You guys milk beavers?
I lick’em.
Oh you can milk just about anything…
Mammary glands, testies, beans, nuts, seeds, even the mighty coconut.
I have nipples, Greg. Could you milk me?
No, but their eggs make delicious omelettes
Hamburgers, meatloaf, gumbo, and all sorts of southern food is American.
*Edit. Some of you think hamburgers weren’t an American creation. Y’all are incorrect. The humburg meat was never put between bread. The sandwich hamburger is a US creation.
Hamburger were invited in Athens Texas. Just go ask that city they advertise that it was a man from that town at the World Fair in the 1930’s.
Literary all of those dishes have origins outside of the US lol
You’re literally wrong. A hamburger as a sandwich is a US creation. So is gumbo. Literally do a 2 minute search about it before “thinking” you know what you’re talking about. Lol
So does all human society, this is a stupid argument.
I find it fascinating that almost half of the world has their own dumpling (ie. a small ball of a cheap source of protein and fat held together by a wrapping of flour dough; a peasant dish that’s most often boiled).
I bet if you they would all dispute the origin of that food item.
My point is that US people tend to claim ownership to a lot of things that were not invented there. I’m all for sharing culture and food and transforming them to something new, but don’t claim they are your invention.
Like as american as apple pie is an expression for a dish from Germany and the Netherlands.
Nah, I as an naturalized American citizen I do not want stuff I create to be called “Chinese”, its xenophobic. I mean, you can say “Chinese-American” to refer to me but not “Chinese”. Cuz why is a white US Citizen creating stuff labeled as “American” while stuff I make is not “American”? Double standards.
If I come up with a new food receipe, its American food. If I make a painting, that’s made by an American artist. If I publish a book, that’s written by an American writer. Don’t fucking try to “other” me.
Meanwhile, German Chocolate Cake has nothing to do with Germany!
It was created by a guy with the last name of German…
My point is that nationalism is poisoning society and destroying the ecosystem, and this discussion isn’t helping.
That I completely agree with and concede the point.
We invented the chocolate chip cookie, man. That pretty much means we won. Lol
I have to think of a lot of fish dishes too. Since we only have them here. I don’t think Walleye is from anywhere else. Maybe I’m wrong.
Walleye isn’t a preparation, it’s an animal.
Preparing pineapple or mango isn’t native either and included in these comparisons.
I didn’t say anything about nativeness. Also seems like you forgot to finish your sentence, I’m really not sure what you are trying to say here.
Dude, Hamburgers are literally named after the non-US city they originally came from…
But I have to admit that the refinement to its delicious present day form is an American achievement!The original hamburger was more like a meatloaf. It was a hamburg steak, meant to be eaten with a fork and knife just like a modern meatloaf. The modern hamburger is 100% an American invention, because America was the place that first turned it into a sandwich.
That’s a Hamburg steak. Not a hamburger, since there’s no bun
Na, buddy. You’re wrong. The Hamburg thing is just about a mashed up piece of meat. Not the hamburger. Putting the meat in the bun to make a sandwich is 100% US like 125 years ago.
That’s quite disputed.
One of the more likely theories states that the bun idea together with the ground meat steak originated in Hamburg, where it was a variant of the common “Rundstück warm”, which has been around since 200 years ago or so.It’s less disputed than most food origins. I looked up your rundstuck warm food. Dunno why you’re trying to make that argument, because because that sure looks nothing like a hamburger, nor does it get eaten like one. That it didn’t use ground beef aside, it being covered in gravy is a dead giveaway.
In this thread: Europeans being casually xenophobic about immigrants in The Americas and the dishes they bring from home, thus proving this new community’s point.
Anyway while I’m on my European slander streak, let me tell you a story: One time i was staying in a hostel in Montreal and there was a French guy (like, a l’hexagon French, not Quebecois) there. He unironically said to me “A single tomato from France tastes better than this shit you call poutine.” That quote lives rent free in my head.
Also you wanna know why he was in Montreal? Cuz he couldn’t get a job in France. peak comedy
Cuz he couldn’t get a job in France. peak comedy
Must have been replaced by all the doctors and engineers that have been imported into France.
Europeans being casually xenophobic about immigrants in The Americas and the dishes they bring from home, thus proving this new community’s point.
No shit. Orange chicken was invented by a Chinese-American chef in Hawaii. Chicken alfredo was invented in the US by combining the Italian dish fettuccine al burro with cream and chicken. And breakfast tacos were an adaptation of a Mexican dish tacos de guisados, except Texans used eggs, instead of yesterday’s stewed leftovers. (Also, I’m not sure the OP and community admin even gets the point.)
American is not just a single culture, it’s a melting pot of a bunch of different cultures. Same goes for Canada, just with a different mix of dominant cultures. American food is a reflection of that, sometimes remixing the idea so much that it turns into something else. Cajun food wouldn’t exist without a mixture of French and American influences.
America may be constantly battling racism and xenophobia internally, but we recognize it for what it is: a shit behavior that should should be excised. European and Eastern cultures like Japan are so casually racist and xenophobic that they don’t even recognize it in themselves.
The Axis powers came to be out of a combination of elements, but xenophobia was the biggest one. Germany got their shit together in the end, after brutal period of being forcefully separated themselves, and a period of self-reflection. Italy and Japan? Yeah, not so much.
So, to the OP: I hope your new community isn’t yet another outlet to be racist.
America may be constantly battling racism and xenophobia internally, but we recognize it for what it is: a shit behavior that should should be excised. European and Eastern cultures like Japan are so casually racist and xenophobic that they don’t even recognize it in themselves.
The best way I’ve heard it described is that Americans consider racism something you do, while the rest of the world tends to view it as something you are.
To an American, if someone is a racist, it’s because they do racist things. So Americans are actually fairly good at recognizing and excising casual racism, because they recognize it as a behavior they can change. But this also means Americans are fairly quick to judge individual actions as racist, because they see it as something that should be improved upon in the future. To an American, a racist is racist because they have recognized their own racist behaviors and don’t see them as a problem.
Meanwhile, Europeans and Asians tend to think of racism as something you are. And that’s a big difference, because it makes them much less adept at identifying the more casual forms of racism. Because even if they’re casually racist, they’ll simply tell themselves “well I’m not a racist, therefore my actions weren’t racist.” Since that binary “is/is not a racist” flag hasn’t flipped in their brain, they’re able to tell themselves that their individual actions aren’t racist.
It’s like Europeans need to be at least 51% racist in order to be considered racist, so anything below that amount is excusable. Individual people will obviously have different thresholds for when that Boolean bit gets flipped from “not racist” to “racist”, but it still needs to hit that personal threshold before they’ll start calling out racism. And europeans will tend to judge their own actions much more leniently, like a zealot telling themselves that God is on their side so their bad deeds aren’t really bad.
But that causes interesting culture shocks whenever Americans interact with Europeans or Asians. Europeans are quick to jump on the “all Americans are racist” bandwagon, and the American will tend to nod along and agree because they recognize that everyone has the potential to be racist. Then the American will see the Europeans do/say some vile racist shit, and start to call it out. But then the European gets defensive and adamantly states that they’re not a racist… Because the European takes the “hey that was pretty fucked up and racist, don’tcha think” as a personal “you are a racist” attack, instead of a “that individual action was racist, and you should examine why you did it” behavioral check.
And the American will be confused on why the European immediately jumped all the way to “why are you calling me a racist? I’m not racist” argument. Because in their experience, the only people who immediately jump to that are the full blown reich-wing racists who don’t see their own racist actions as a problem, but want to continue existing in a civilized society. Labeling someone as a racist is a big deal for an American, because it means the person has refused to examine their own racist behaviors, or has done so and sees no problem with the racism. To an American, labeling someone a racist is basically the nuclear “I’ve exhausted all other possibilities, and can only conclude that they’re doing it on purpose” option.
So Americans will often walk away from the interactions thinking “holy fuck those Europeans were really goddamned racist” simply because the Europeans refused to acknowledge that their own individual actions had the potential to be racist. Meanwhile, the Europeans will think that Americans are really fucking racist because Americans are quick to call it out amongst themselves.
Recognizing foods from other cultures is a very new phenomena, for us families, and in europe. Tacos were unheard of in a 1950 white household. In the uk the bbc did a joke piece showing Italians harvesting pasta off the pasta tree and most people that saw it believed it.
Ahh, the humble French tomato… which originated from the Americas…
Oh damn, I did not know that tomato was a new world food, and from South America too (as opposed to Central and North).
The original cultivation of so many fruits and vegetables before the Columbia Exchange and then modern industrial agriculture is always really interesting.
The one that sticks in my head are kiwis - the modern kiwi is cultivated from a plant from China, which is somehow a source of a lot of cultivars that we eat today.
Italians have the world convinced they invented the tomato. People will get violently disagreeable absolutely convinced the Tomato originated with Italians.
The stereotypical smoking French person wouldn’t exist either.
POUTINE??? THAT SHIT IS GASSSS!!!
Some people shouldn’t have opinions.
“Poutine” makes it sound so fancy, even though it’s just Loaded Fries.
What about pumkin pie?
Native American: I am a joke to you?
Fun fact: orange chicken was invented by Hawaiian Chinese guys who ran the Panda Express in Honolulu. They wanted to create a dish that reflected the sort of flavors that were popular at Chinese restaurants in Hawai’i. So it’s not an “American” concoction. It’s rooted in the culture of Chinese in Hawai’i, who were invited to live and work in Hawai’i back in the kingdom days.
Pizza was invented in the US. By an italian immigrant, but it still counts.
in Hawai’i. So it’s not an “American”
Is Hawaii not in the U.S.? Or was it not in the U.S. at the time of the early Panda Express?
Now do Chop Suey.
Wake up
Grab a brush and put a little makeupSomething something keys and something table
I know the line before that is supposed to be “Hide your scars to fade away the shakeup”, but it sounds so much like “I just masturbated with the shade up”, especially the whispered repeat after it. If you listen for it the scars line is clearly there, but I’m convinced he said something similar to get away with a line like that on the radio.
Why did you leave the key up on the table
Appreciate you, but I think I had it right.
You wanted to
Hn mnnu hmnu duh fable
here you go create another fable
Sure, that’s what the lyrics say. I too know the lyrics. But it sure as shit isn’t what I say when I’m spitting and drooling in my car, trying my damnedest to feel as much like a badass during all of that as I do when SOAD featuring TheFartographer hits “I don’t think you trust…”
I’m lucky if I even say “fable” instead of accidentally repeating “table.” Or “able.” Or just giving up and selflessly letting Serj take it solo, so that he can have the spotlight for once in front of the audience that is my steering wheel and air vents.
You wanted to!
Last panel gets it wrong, though.
Rest of the world totally thinks that there is such a thing as original American food:
High-caloric, hyper-processed junk containing no significant nutritional value but much too much fat, fructose sirup and carcinogenic substances.
That, and watery beer.The watery beer thing hasn’t been true in 30 years, and generally US beats the entire world for beer these days. Asian beer sucks in general, and Europe can usually only do a couple different styles well.
It seems like it’s just become almost a figure of speech without any meaning these days. The amount of Irish guys I know who will talk about American beer being piss that will then clock out for the day and post up in the pub to suck down Coors Light all night is unreal.
I had bread that tasted like a cake, and the Pop-Tarts made my teeth jump out of my mouth due to the amount of sugar they were able to concentrate in it. Can’t recommend.
Both 100% American.
The people were very nice though, so that was something.
AFAIK, jambalaya, and gumbo are both USAmerican foods.
There’s also whatever the fuck the Midwest is doing, but we don’t talk about them.
Edit: but but
also barbecue and grilling culture is huge out here. not always fond of the US but damn I love a good cookout
l don’t dispute that (and also that they are probably great - had neither so far, as they are largely unknown here).
It’s just that nobody outside of the States thinks of these when they hear “US food”.
Also: The jello salad is hilarious!
Hadn’t it been a wikipedia link, I would have thought it to be you trying to pull my leg. :-)They’re delicious, and I make them a few times a year.
Yeah, the jello salads are… Something. The sweet ones are great! Fruits, nuts, whipped cream, all of that in jello is fine. It’s when people decide to throw celery and hot dogs in lime jello that it gets more than a little weird.
I just remembered that we have a very similar traditional dish in my home region (although only in the hefty variant with meat and/or vegetables):
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sülze
And I also have to say, Schweinskopfsülze (pig head in aspic) is not as bad is looks, but certainly is an acquired taste… :-)
There is also the American national dish of cereal (frequently meaning lumps of coloured sugar mixed with lumps of different-coloured sugar).
Cereal was made by old man kellog to feed to his insane asylum inmates at his battle creek, mi sanitorium, as a low protein food that would lessen the masturbation of the inmates.
He put mittens on some they could not get off so they did not whack it at night.
Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog. Fuck kellog.
FUCK kellog.
and promoted circumcision to stop even more masturbation
He did not run an insane asylum. It was a health resort. The cereal was for people who suffered from upset stomachs which was highly common because people were inflaming their digestive tracks and giving themselves stomach cancer because tonics were popular at the time and were full of crazy shit. Not just opium and other fun stuff.
He was so against sexual gratification he did thing mitten thing for children and a teenagers, also physical restraints but never inmates, closest would be orphanages but also promoted the practice to his playing clientele
Kellog was a crazy religious nut but the kind that wouldn’t even fuck his wife, let alone children like the sickos we’re stuck with today. All in all, I prefer his style of crazy religious nut vs the rapey kind.
I dont eant to hear anybody shit on our cereal while this abomination is still a thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagelslag
Dudes be eating sprinkles for breakfast and shit on our cereal? Gtfo.
Dude’s coming from a Swedish Lemmy instance, so quite probably is a Swede.
Swedes don’t eat Hagelslag, that’s a Dutch thing, so I guess he is entitled to stay ;-)
But only if the colors are so vibrant you’d start to believe that you’d been drugged
Alfredo pasta was invented in Italy.
The US invented its own dish and gave it the same name.
America has distinctive quick breads like southern biscuits and flapjacks, many desserts were invented by the Pennsylvania dutch (like doughnuts and approximately a billion cakes and pies), several excellent kinds of whiskey, a galaxy of unique bbqs, Cajun food, distinctive east and west coast deli styles, a distinctive style of fried chicken, chocolate chip cookies, deep dish pizza, french dip sandwiches…
The one I love is German Chocolate Cake. Invented in either Pennsylvania, or New York, the prole’s last name was German.
Especially funny as Pecans are a very American thing, they don’t even grow in Europe.
So probably a significant part of the US population thinks because of this cake that Germans bake Pecan based stuff, while most Germans (me included) haven’t seen a Pecan nut in their whole life. :-)
