Linux Bros are the most intolerable group of technousers on the internet. The constant bickering at literally every OS outside of Linux and then the endless bitching inside of it about which distro you should use. Then there’s the fact that Linux is not remotely intuitive to use and everytime I’ve tried to switch in the past just requires constant searching of obscure forums to get the information that I need on how to run what I’m trying to, only to be met with the same whiny bullshit about using the wrong distro or not doing something the right way.
The OS is a nightmare to use for people who don’t want to have to learn everything over from scratch, something that Linux users seem incapable of grasping, and the people using it have never once made me feel like I am welcome to using it but that I should avoid them at all costs.
That’s why you couldn’t pay me. Because then I’d have to be dealing with sycophants.
“I don’t like the most outspoken people who like it” isn’t exactly a rational reason to inform one’s choices in Tech, more so given that you don’t actually have to be in contact with such people to use that Tech.
It’s like refusing to play a single player game because there are fanboys for that game on the Internet.
If making your choices by following a random crowd of people you don’t even know personally and don’t even have to talk to is the most low-self confidence imature thing one can do, making your choices by setting yourself in opposition to a random crowd of people you don’t even know personally and don’t even have to talk to is the second most low-self confidence imature thing one can do.
Why the fuck should you care about their opinion either way? They do they, you do you.
I’d like you to go ahead and read my comment again so you can see the other reasoning there too instead of just hyper focusing on one part and neglecting the rest.
I have literally never encountered a Windows Bro who says how awesome Windows is and how you should totally use it and it’s the best option and anything else is trash. No. They do not apply equally to Windows because Windows users don’t fucking care. That’s the difference. I don’t give a shit what OS I use as long as it works which is why Windows works well enough and why the constant arguments about switching don’t make sense. It works, unlike all the whiny complaints to the alternative. In my entire life I’ve never had Windows fuck up something that I didn’t actively cause myself. Switching to Linux when it’s filled with salivating cultists over some ones and zeros and who actively get off and bitching about Windows at every possible opportunity? Oh yeah. THose are some people I really wanna hang out with.
I’ve never had a problem with Windows that I couldn’t fix by a restart.
Windows is still the most used operating system because it just [works].
not everyone using the operating system wants to do the inane bullshit that Linux users do and some of us want to just have it do the bare minimum.
I have literally never encountered a Windows Bro who says how awesome Windows is and how you should totally use it and it’s the best option and anything else is trash.
Have you never met them because… it’s you? Have I solved the trick question? :-)
Nah. Because I’m not saying how awesome it is. I’m not saying that windows is amazing and how everyone should switch. I’m not suggesting that windows or Microsoft is better. I don’t idolize gates like y’all do Torvalds.
No trick question here. They literally don’t exist. If windows actually stopped working for me then I’d switch but it doesn’t for the vast majority of people.
Y’all just gotta lie and invent problems to justify your desperate notion that this year will be the year of Linux when no one wants to be around you.
I have literally never encountered a Windows Bro who says how awesome Windows is and how you should totally use it and it’s the best option and anything else is trash.
That’s probably true, but that’s not really a selling point.
“This is better because literally nobody likes it. Nobody recommends it. It’s great to use something people barely tolerate because they don’t know better”
I do not recommend living on earth. Have you seen this shit?
Jokes aside, people don’t like windows, they just use it as the default. Like the old people who has an iPhone or an android and they see it as the “norm” and don’t like the change. That’s why (aside from enshitification) people tend to dislike the windows updates.
That’s why not a lot of people that uses Mac or Linux for a long time permanently switch to windows. From windows to Linux or Mac is more likely to stick.
Yes. It is. However I’ve almost never had to use it when with Linux I’ve gotta search every third thing going wrong. Then when those things go wrong I have to end up making my own post or descending into the toxic cesspit that is any Linux community.
Does it change your opinion that microsoft and apple are using your comfortability with using their systems to prevent competition and lock you into a system that over time keeps violating your privacy more while gives you less freedom in how you want to use it?
It is not comfortability keeping me on windows. It is the fact thag Linux does not work adequately without work that should have already been done, forcing you to do it, and the fanboys of Linux make the entire ecosystem seem toxic as fuck. Your question is based off of an incorrect assumption.
Linux is not comparable in the sense that it is not a company that is delivering a service that you paid for. So the work “that should have already be done” is done by unpaid work. We can all contribute to making it better.
“My obscure hardware setup doesn’t work out of the box on Linux, an OS where the OEMs have made no effort to make drivers compatible with or support in any way.”
“Linux is broken because I have to run a shell command to install a package.”
(you don’t actually have to, but they think so because that’s what the tutorial on page one of Google recommended.)
They need help with the basics, and Linux people, who are more comfortable with the system, recommend running some command because it is the quickest way to get what they want. The noobs then believe this is the only way to do the thing, and then believe Linux isn’t “user friendly” because nobody posted a walkthrough of how to do it graphically with up-to-date screenshots that works for all distros on all desktops.
This isn’t a Linux problem. It’s an education and communication problem.
Most Windows users refuse to do anything to install software besides mashing ‘next’ after running some random .exe they found on the internet. The same people will defend Windows by saying it’s easy to work around one of Microsoft’s 900 horrible decisions forced on you by opening regedit and creating like 5 DWORD registry keys in some meaningless path. They will not see the irony here.
Running a terminal command is not required for half the shit they want to do, but they believe so, because they haven’t bothered to familiarize themselves with how things work on Linux. They never learn this because they throw their hands up the first time their Windows workflow breaks down.
These people would have a million fewer complaints if beginner distros
Included the Dconf app by default.
Included a graphical util for editing JSON, YAML, INI, etc. files by default.
Included a systemd service manager app by default.
Published their packages as downloadable links on their website so that installation can work like running .exe files (security concerns aside)
You can do most things on Windows through command line, yet almost nobody is recommending those for fixes.
If what you say is true, we would have the same issue on Windows as we have on Linux.
My explanation is that the average Linux user is overestimating the capabilities of the average user. They think they can handle commands, which they obviously can’t. Which causes Linux to look user-unfriendly, both as an OS and as a Community.
Because it doesn’t. Don’t misunderstand my refusal to use Linux as blindness to what garbage it is. I avoid precisely because I know what steaming pile of shit it actually is. Y’all can keep deluding yourselves all you want.
You should do what makes you happy, but you’ve made a few of assumptions in these comments. The Linux of today is a lot more stable and user friendly than the linux of a decade ago. I installed Linux Mint a few months ago, easier to install than windows. It installed all drivers with no issues, without added input from me, worked perfectly from day 1. It as faster and more stable. Was basically a 5 minute install. I’m not a linux fanboy, I basically moved because windows 11 is malware and i didn’t want to upgrade past win 10, it was requiring more maintenance than linux. Windows is no longer software as a service, it’s made all of your data the product to sell everything to companies and governments, just like social media. By all means stay off Linux if you don’t think you’ll like it.
There is a word for intrusive, unwanted software that intervenes in your work to advertise or engage you in unwanted interaction. The same word describes software that constantly monitors and exfiltrates what’s going on between you and your data.
Why?
Linux Bros are the most intolerable group of technousers on the internet. The constant bickering at literally every OS outside of Linux and then the endless bitching inside of it about which distro you should use. Then there’s the fact that Linux is not remotely intuitive to use and everytime I’ve tried to switch in the past just requires constant searching of obscure forums to get the information that I need on how to run what I’m trying to, only to be met with the same whiny bullshit about using the wrong distro or not doing something the right way.
The OS is a nightmare to use for people who don’t want to have to learn everything over from scratch, something that Linux users seem incapable of grasping, and the people using it have never once made me feel like I am welcome to using it but that I should avoid them at all costs.
That’s why you couldn’t pay me. Because then I’d have to be dealing with sycophants.
Thanks for the honest explanation.
“I don’t like the most outspoken people who like it” isn’t exactly a rational reason to inform one’s choices in Tech, more so given that you don’t actually have to be in contact with such people to use that Tech.
It’s like refusing to play a single player game because there are fanboys for that game on the Internet.
If making your choices by following a random crowd of people you don’t even know personally and don’t even have to talk to is the most low-self confidence imature thing one can do, making your choices by setting yourself in opposition to a random crowd of people you don’t even know personally and don’t even have to talk to is the second most low-self confidence imature thing one can do.
Why the fuck should you care about their opinion either way? They do they, you do you.
I’d like you to go ahead and read my comment again so you can see the other reasoning there too instead of just hyper focusing on one part and neglecting the rest.
Or don’t. Could not give less of a fuck.
Ima do me. You do you.
All of your points apply equally to Windows (unless you are a corporate client).
I have literally never encountered a Windows Bro who says how awesome Windows is and how you should totally use it and it’s the best option and anything else is trash. No. They do not apply equally to Windows because Windows users don’t fucking care. That’s the difference. I don’t give a shit what OS I use as long as it works which is why Windows works well enough and why the constant arguments about switching don’t make sense. It works, unlike all the whiny complaints to the alternative. In my entire life I’ve never had Windows fuck up something that I didn’t actively cause myself. Switching to Linux when it’s filled with salivating cultists over some ones and zeros and who actively get off and bitching about Windows at every possible opportunity? Oh yeah. THose are some people I really wanna hang out with.
Hard pass.
Have you never met them because… it’s you? Have I solved the trick question? :-)
Nah. Because I’m not saying how awesome it is. I’m not saying that windows is amazing and how everyone should switch. I’m not suggesting that windows or Microsoft is better. I don’t idolize gates like y’all do Torvalds.
No trick question here. They literally don’t exist. If windows actually stopped working for me then I’d switch but it doesn’t for the vast majority of people.
Y’all just gotta lie and invent problems to justify your desperate notion that this year will be the year of Linux when no one wants to be around you.
Excuse me, If these Linux users weren’t so autistic they’d be very upset.
That’s probably true, but that’s not really a selling point.
“This is better because literally nobody likes it. Nobody recommends it. It’s great to use something people barely tolerate because they don’t know better”
Why do you think nobody likes Windows? I think you have been living in the Linux bubble for too long.
Nobody recommends Windows because it is the bloody default. It is like recommending to live on Earth.
I do not recommend living on earth. Have you seen this shit?
Jokes aside, people don’t like windows, they just use it as the default. Like the old people who has an iPhone or an android and they see it as the “norm” and don’t like the change. That’s why (aside from enshitification) people tend to dislike the windows updates.
That’s why not a lot of people that uses Mac or Linux for a long time permanently switch to windows. From windows to Linux or Mac is more likely to stick.
Cool. I’m not here selling windows though. I’m just saying why I’ll never use Linux. Weird that none of you can tell the difference.
Haven’t said you’re selling it. I even said nobody is. Weird you didn’t understand.
You can switch to Linux without having to hang out with Linux Bros. I use both OS and don’t hang out with either.
Mac fans are a different story.
No you can’t because shit never works and you have to go asking or googling on how to fix it.
Just like windows. MS help is useless.
Why are you acting like there is only one MS website with answers?
The userbase of Windows is so big, there are so many different communities that you can join. At least one of them will be fine.
If you have 2 different fora for a Linux distro, it would be many.
Because there is only one official MS forum, and it’s shit.
All the other forums you refer to are run by fanboys.
Yes. It is. However I’ve almost never had to use it when with Linux I’ve gotta search every third thing going wrong. Then when those things go wrong I have to end up making my own post or descending into the toxic cesspit that is any Linux community.
Does it change your opinion that microsoft and apple are using your comfortability with using their systems to prevent competition and lock you into a system that over time keeps violating your privacy more while gives you less freedom in how you want to use it?
It is not comfortability keeping me on windows. It is the fact thag Linux does not work adequately without work that should have already been done, forcing you to do it, and the fanboys of Linux make the entire ecosystem seem toxic as fuck. Your question is based off of an incorrect assumption.
Linux is not comparable in the sense that it is not a company that is delivering a service that you paid for. So the work “that should have already be done” is done by unpaid work. We can all contribute to making it better.
They need help with the basics, and Linux people, who are more comfortable with the system, recommend running some command because it is the quickest way to get what they want. The noobs then believe this is the only way to do the thing, and then believe Linux isn’t “user friendly” because nobody posted a walkthrough of how to do it graphically with up-to-date screenshots that works for all distros on all desktops.
This isn’t a Linux problem. It’s an education and communication problem.
Most Windows users refuse to do anything to install software besides mashing ‘next’ after running some random .exe they found on the internet. The same people will defend Windows by saying it’s easy to work around one of Microsoft’s 900 horrible decisions forced on you by opening regedit and creating like 5 DWORD registry keys in some meaningless path. They will not see the irony here.
Running a terminal command is not required for half the shit they want to do, but they believe so, because they haven’t bothered to familiarize themselves with how things work on Linux. They never learn this because they throw their hands up the first time their Windows workflow breaks down.
These people would have a million fewer complaints if beginner distros
Please explain then.
You can do most things on Windows through command line, yet almost nobody is recommending those for fixes.
If what you say is true, we would have the same issue on Windows as we have on Linux.
My explanation is that the average Linux user is overestimating the capabilities of the average user. They think they can handle commands, which they obviously can’t. Which causes Linux to look user-unfriendly, both as an OS and as a Community.
Then I’ll wait for someone to contribute a sensible and working distro.
How do you know that hasn’t been created already?
Because then all Linux users would be recommending the same distro instead of their personally favourite one.
Because it doesn’t. Don’t misunderstand my refusal to use Linux as blindness to what garbage it is. I avoid precisely because I know what steaming pile of shit it actually is. Y’all can keep deluding yourselves all you want.
You should do what makes you happy, but you’ve made a few of assumptions in these comments. The Linux of today is a lot more stable and user friendly than the linux of a decade ago. I installed Linux Mint a few months ago, easier to install than windows. It installed all drivers with no issues, without added input from me, worked perfectly from day 1. It as faster and more stable. Was basically a 5 minute install. I’m not a linux fanboy, I basically moved because windows 11 is malware and i didn’t want to upgrade past win 10, it was requiring more maintenance than linux. Windows is no longer software as a service, it’s made all of your data the product to sell everything to companies and governments, just like social media. By all means stay off Linux if you don’t think you’ll like it.
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I don’t so much love Linux as hate Windows 11.
I installed Linux on my roommates PC a couple years ago. Ubuntu. It took me a fucking week to get everything working.
I have not made a single assumption.
Also I don’t so much love windows as hate Linux. It’s unusable for the average person yet people keep screaming how they should move.