Fox News host Sean Hannity dedicated a segment of his Thursday show to deliver a message to Pope Leo XIV, suggesting he and others at the Vatican had totally lost sight of the true meaning of the bible and its teachings.
Hanity left the Catholic Church when he was having sexual affairs and wanted to divorce his wife.
That’s the reason. His excuse came later.
As an non-American who was baptised Catholic and observing US politics, I’ve always wondered how could the mostly Protestant, Christian nationalists would work with Catholics. Well, here goes my answer.
Also, I am seeing a repeat of history here. The German Catholics opposed Hitler while it is the Protestants who supported him. Oh how history circles back!
As an American raised by evangelical nationalists, I always knew it would go down like this. There’s enough tolerance to function in day to day life but the behind closed doors contempt and downright hate, not for the theology or the scandals that come up, but the plain hate for people being different was instilled almost daily. They’d accept a kindness from a Catholic or Mormon neighbor, smile to their face, then talk shit as soon as they left. The entitlement and sense of superiority while simultaneously being victims is phenomenal. The more they realize they don’t need to rely on a broad idea of “Christianity” to further their agenda the more they’ll turn on every sect that doesn’t fit their idea of “Christianity”. I hope the Mormons are taking notes about the cost of hitching wagons with the evangelicals, cus they really hate you guys.
That’s just people in general.
There’s a special kind of superiority for evangelicals like the people who raised me. There’s the hatred of racism, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia- those are often easy to identify at first glance or figure out quickly. They want their white Christian America, and a substantial percentage of Mormons and Catholics are white and “Christian enough” when they need voter and public support. I think Catholics and Mormons have forgotten that the people they’ve been breaking bread with are the descendants of the people who terrorized the Irish and Italian immigrants and ran the Mormons out of New York, the Missouri, and tried to run them out of Idaho. Given time they’d probably turn on each other over Lutherans vs Baptists. They don’t actually want broad white evangelical supremacy, they want themselves alone to be supreme and to be able to tread on anyone else to have their way. They’ll always find an excuse to justify their personal “betterness”, but in fact are just empowering the oligarch class who will always reap the benefits of being above the law.
I thought the Mormons got run out of New York and Missouri because they were angry at all the cons that Joseph Smith was running at the expense of the local populace.
That does tend to be the source of most religious disputes- your salvation grift is cutting into our salvation grift, your cult is getting more popular than our cult, your influence could be a threat to local politics. Mormonism wasn’t rebuked by a woke mob of atheists sick of conmen, advocating science, and opposed to a new version of the old patriarchy, it was rebuked by a mob of other Christians who thought their Christianity was better. They joined forces out of bigotry, jealousy, greed, and xenophobia. Smith was a charlatan in Jesus’ name, he was just a more successful one than his rivals and that pissed then off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII_and_the_Holocaust
The Pope at time disagreed with the German Catholics and agreed with Nazis
Wasn’t it Pius who also worked with the resistance and was a part of a plot to have Hitler assasinated?
Indeed, and that is why The Little Bastard Austrian Corporal made a deal with the Vatican and created the “Reichskonkordat” and it still exists to this very day.
President is right Tolkien knows nothing about Middle Earth.
The Christian Nationalist shit for brains are making an attempt to teach religion to Pope Leo. GTFO and these clowns are identical to the Kremlin backed Orthodox lunatics who preach the Ukraine invasion is correct.
They are already positioning Trump for a religious re-brand when he’s out after 2028. He will be the competition for the Pope in the MAGA religion. It’s going to be the hottest, richest, most popular religion in the Universe, and Trump is your direct messenger to God.
They were hitting it HARD during the Biden administration, but the media wasn’t covering it, of course. They quieted it down a bit when he got re-elected, but now that things are going even worse than predicted, they are ramping up the religious rhetoric again - “You better not mess with Trump, he knows Jesus and God personally.”
They probably think that Americans won’t have the stomach for prosecuting a genuine religious prophet. Yeah? Watch me.
100 trump coins guarantee a meter square of land in heaven
What’s a meter? Is this some commie shit I’m too Burger to understand?
I know you meant this comment as a portent of ill tidings, but “out in 2028” and “the media wasn’t covering him” just sounds so relaxing, I’m having a hard time getting worked up over it.
But it’s not a cult, guys.
Conflicting cults, let them fight
That’s exactly what I’m hoping for.
If you claim to be a Christian but deny the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, you are not Catholic; you are what they call schismatic.
Not all statements by the pope are regarded as infallible by Catholics. In fact, invoking infallibility is very rare. However Leo’s statements on the Iran War are very clearly in line with Catholic doctrine.
A key distinction between terms here is that while Catholics are probably the largest single Christian group in the US, a larger Christian percentage belongs to various Protestant groups. They already don’t care about the pope and think Catholics are wrong
Americas about to get excommunicated at this rate.
My interpretation of imaginary bullshit created thousands of years ago is correct and yours isn’t
Hannity thinks he (and Trump) knows more about how the Bible should be read and interpreted than the Pope?..
Do these people even hear themselves?
I mean MAGA is mostly made up of Protestants/Evangelicals. There was kinda a whole thing about thinking the pope was wrong
Doesn’t matter. Magats hear, believe and obey.
It’s not so much MAGATs. How can the news allow people to say stuff like this to the public.
The real issue is our quality expectations to the news distribution
Its because its not news. They have the title of news outlet. However they are a conservative commentary channel, and they don’t consider facts, neutrality or decour.
Even they have admitted that they are not news: “In 2020, Fox News successfully defended a defamation lawsuit involving Tucker Carlson by arguing that his program was primarily entertainment rather than factual reporting”
And that no reasonable person would mistake it for actual news.
Which is profoundly stupid, how hard would it have been to get 50 people who all believe fox news is and only is factual news.
This is pretext for their base, to justify the Pope’s upcoming assassination by the US government.
Vance again?
That’s Vice President J(ust killed )D(a Pope) Vance for ya!
J(ust kille)D (a Pope)
ftfy
Nah I like “Da Pope” better for the D, good effort though.
Oooooh. I thought it was “Just killed d a pope”. Forgot about “da”. Thanks for clarifying!
Oh nah it’s cool! No worries. Yours is a good enough way to do it. Like I said I just like “Da Pope” better for the D, especially now with Pope Leo being from Chicago.
That’s a case I didn’t consider yet
The US are going to bomb the Vatican and send in the special forces to abduct the pope. It’s what they do.
I mean, this is pretty much a protestant viewpoint so… who cares?
They only hear the sound of cash flowing in their pockets
Yes they don’t care
Religion is a cloak they wear, they don’t really believe it
It’s quite interesting how close hannity is to trump, he has seen having golf meetings with him
Be kind to others
-Bible, New Testament’s teachings of Jesus
Being kind to others is evil, and it’s not what Jesus would have stood for!
-Republicans
Reminder: be kind to others
-Pope
The Pope is a libtard.
-Faux News
^My basic understanding of whats going on.
Ex-cultist here. Specifically, fundamentalist Christian in the US.
So what we’re seeing here is a division between in-groups and out-groups, and drawing that circle closer as a means of guarding against valid criticism. Consider; the standard response of most cults when they are under attack is to double down on its assertions that it is telling the truth. Most cults are built with a persecution complex as key part of exploiting their believers.
This tactic triggers their emotional response to rally to the defense of their cause, because “We’re under attack! We’re being hunted! The Worst Thing Possible is going to happen, and it is THIS PERSECUTOR’S fault!” This also forces a false choice in members who are doubting the leadership, forcing them to either cut all social ties and side with the enemy (they are trained to see this as a fate worse than death) or rehearse their dogma and rally without question.
Ex-cultist here
Congrats on getting out.
^My basic understanding of whats going on.
We were explaining different things. Where I was giving a general summation of events, yours explains the motive. 2 sides to the same coin.
Be kind to others -Bible
It also says “kill others”, you should read it. LOTS of instructions on killing
There are many reasons not to be murderous, the Bible isn’t one of them. Does it say “do not murder?” YES. Does it also say “murder”. YES. Many times. Throughout.
Fixed
Lmao I love how folks are telling the VOICE OF GOD ON EARTH that he’s wrong.
(I’m an atheist and don’t believe it, but this whole situation is hilarious.)
Catholics are not real “Christians”. So they dont believe in the Pope’s position or respect the Pope.
I cannot fathom telling a guy who has dedicated his life to the church though that he doesn’t understand the bible. Then again that is the republican MO, if you think you know better than an expert clearly you do.
Catholics are as Christian as any other Christian.
I’m going to be pedantic, but it’s the exact opposite of what you wrote. Catholics are a branch of Christians, who give more importance to the role of saints and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, among other differences.
So you should actually argue that they are not really Catholics, if they don’t recognize the authority of the Pope.Catholics aren’t a “branch” of Christians, they are the tree itself. The first church, they dominated for many centuries, and still do, as this discourse proves; the Pope and church remain very influential
I had to read their comment a few times, but I think when they said “they,” they were referring to people like Hannity.
Catholics are not real “Christians”. So they dont believe in the Pope’s position or respect the Pope.
Like “according to people like Hannity, Catholics are not real Christians. Therefore, people like Hannity don’t believe in the Pope’s position or respect the Pope”
Definitely a strange way to word it.
I mean the catholics have shaped all Christianity.
Be sure you don’t say this in front of an Orthodox Christian…
No they haven’t, not even all chalcedonian Christianity.
Yes they have, they dominated for many centuries, and are still the largest denomination.
Being the largest denomination does not mean they shaped all Christianity. In fact Christianity was shaped before the Catholics split, in the middle east and Asia Minor with Rome being a fringe player.
Their later innovations were mostly left unadopted by the other half of the church and also caused a new split resulting in major intra-Christian religious wars. In fact since Catholics are merely a plurality and not a majority most Christians reject, frankly an understatement, the defining characteristic of Catholicism, papal infallibility.
The pope does understand the Bible, and he knows damn well that he’s misrepresenting it. That’s his job (and always has been).
Read the Bible, see for yourself. If you are short on time, just read Revelation (the last book).
p.s. my most hated comment ever! THANK YOU fuck the pope
This dude is fucking nuts. Revelation is easily the dumbest book of the bible to recommend.
You’ve gone hysterical… it is the dumbest book, and that’s why I recommend it.
Agreed.
I mean, it’s my favorite book of the Bible. But it’s the most easily misunderstood and misinterpreted. The whole thing is an allegory written in a particular kind of prose, drawing on tropes common to a genre of writing scholars call “apocalypse.” But given that even lifelong Christians are unaware of this fact means that this is definitely not the book to recommend reading as an entry point. Unless you’re looking for inspiration for something to airbrush on the side of your bitchin’ van (hopefully one with a crescent moon bubble window on the back). Then by all means flip to the section right before the maps and get to sketching!
The crescent moon window is… Chef’s kiss
ABSOLUTELY. I love the book of Revelation, but too many don’t understand how to read apocalyptic literature, nor do they understand the source material to contextualize the heavy symbolism. I blame a ton of the dumbshit premillenial dispensationalism crudely hobbled together to resemble a form of eschatology on a poor understanding of Revelation, Dallas Theological Seminary for spreading the fuck out of it, and Schofield for being the dipass to keep it from remaining the obscure hallucinogenic ramblings of a (probably) sick pentecostal woman in England. Man there are so many cool things about the theology of hope and some strong influences of Stoic philosophy(again), but man does American theology love to fetishize about the unbelievers facing a gruesome divine genocide…
I don’t really consider myself a Christian anymore, but I have read the bible during the time I did. The only people I ever knew who were way into revelations were fucking stupid ass old people like my wife’s grandfather who was a miserable vindictive old man who had no admirable traits whatsoever. He was also definitely not aware of the intended meaning, he just like the shit about non-believers finally getting theirs.
Reading that book without the context of other books of the bible and like Paul’s writing in particular is just plain stupid. But I think understanding of also kind of requires other theological understanding.
Reading that book without the context of other books of the bible and like Paul’s writing in particular is just plain stupid.
Knowing the context makes it worse in my opinion, but you do you.
You know what’s really stupid? Thinking Jesus is a beacon of peace, He’s horrifying. If you can’t handle Him murdering everybody in a rage, you can’t get through the Bible anyway.
Careful, or Pestilence will ride you down like a mangy dog, or something
It’s the only “cool” book the rest is boring nonsense.
The only people I have ever heard qout revelations, are nutters, and people trying to get money. It reads like biblical fanfic.
My favorite part is the giant people-faced Scorpions wearing gold hats.
Yes, please, read the apocalyptic fever dream of a crazy man as proof that god exists. I’m totally convinced!
I didn’t recommend it to convince people that God exists.
Why should anyone care what the bible says?
The Bible permeates the USA and its government, it’s very useful for understanding why things are the way they are.
Thing is, they claim that they care about religion. Not sure how many deadly sins they are gobbling up with all of that because something doesn’t add up.
They’re def breaking every single commandment
There’s a name for catholics who believe that the pope isn’t always right.
They are called protestants.
Catholicism only has one firm rule: The pope is always right, without exception. There’s nothing wrong with criticizing the pope. Just don’t call yourself a catholic if you do.
A friend of mine studied theology and said (when I remarked something similar) that that’s a very Protestant perspective.
Catholicism has had a long history of people disagreeing with the pope. There have been antipopes, wars between Catholics and the Papal State, theological factions where the Pope is just one participant, etc. . Papal infallibility is a very recent doctrine, and it only applies when he is speaking ex cathedra, which is rarely. Many Catholics don’t adhere to it, and many only consider it a matter of worldly convenience against schisms.
That said, there are no AI generated images of Trump wearing Papal vestments or overseeing the holy mass. Trump is not presented as an anti-Pope, but as an anti-Christ.
antipopes
Do they annihilate releasing huge amounts of energy if they touch the regular pope?
Yes.
That said, there are no AI generated images of Trump wearing Papal vestments or overseeing the holy mass.
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/112077-trump-ai-pope-vert-thumb-dirty.png
I believe this was from before the new pope was decided.
Well, technically the Pope is only infallible with respect to cathedral matters:
The definition of the doctrine of papal infallibility was promulgated on July 18, 1870, in the dogmatic constitution Pastor aeternus (Latin: “Eternal Shepherd”) of the First Vatican Council. This document states the conditions under which a pope may be said to have spoken infallibly, or ex cathedra (“from his chair” as supreme teacher). It is a prerequisite that the pope intend to demand irrevocable assent from the entire church in some aspect of faith or morals.
And since the dogma of infallibility was proclaimed close to 200 years ago, there have only been two instances it has been invoked.
That’s not really true at all though. The pope isn’t always right, without exception. He’s only infallible on matters of faith or morals, and on doctrine which is stated as being the view of the church and which invokes his supreme authority. Popes are capable of being wrong, making mistakes, or sinning.
It is a lot more nuanced then that, but for many catholics that is how it is.
I’m sorry, but this is BS.
The Church is run by people and people are fallible.
Bishops sign their names with an upside down cross to remind themselves that they are sinners who make mistakes.
A shocking number of saints are people martyred for standing up to the Church when it had become corrupt.
It’s a Catholic’s duty to stand for what is right.
Except for when boys are diddled. That’s kept hush hush and the diddlers get to live in a protected “country” that probably has their own “Epstienish” activities going on
Hannity doesn’t call himself Catholic, and that’s also not exactly true.
As an ex-Catholic: Catholics only have to accept things that the Pope says ex cathedra, which means he has to make a formal, official statement speaking for the Church, not just expressing his personal views. You can also criticize the Pope’s behavior, the Pope is still a sinner like everyone else, only Jesus is without sin. That’s how Catholics deal with all those mideval popes having gay harems and stuff, and it’s also how they deal with all the times the Church was wrong, like claiming that the sun revolved around the earth.
Infallibility has to be limited in scope or it wouldn’t be possible to weasel out of things.
bro, I am muslim so I have no idea how christian values work but even I can see this is heresy to an unbelievable degree. Your president calls himself the second Jesus, you cannot defend him against any religious person at that point, let alone the Pope.
Where I’m at the Christians have mostly completely lost the plot. There’s this complete perversion of the faith called Prosperity Gospel that basically believes money is proof of divine blessing. So being rich is proof you’re in Gods favor.
Also where I am there’s is non-0 number of Christians who legitimately believe we/someone needs to rebuild ancient buildings in the middle east so Jesus can return.
It’s a death cult that believes money is proof that God approves of you. While simultaneously believing unending war/genocide in the middle east is a necessary evil. So they can just shrug their shoulders while people are slaughtered and say “God works in mysterious ways!”
Send help.
Send help.
This is a mess of America’s making.
You’re going to have to fix it yourselves.
(Unless it gets so bad that you guys are an existential threat to the rest of the planet - then the rest of the world might be forced to take action that nobody wants)
I understand, thoughts and prayers will suffice inshallah.
Gets so bad?
When the idiots invade Canada then we will come over to undo your failed experiment.
Actually, for a fascist it’s very easy. When words dont really mean anything and your ideology demands no consistency you can say what you want and defend the indefensible. If you think that rational people would see through all that you’re right, but their followers arent. They’ve been trained for over forty years to be led by the nose by their media peer group. Be it conservative news or Facebook posts or green text or their local evangelical demigogue, whatever it is they will be told what they want to hear. Trump is right, and by extention they are right too. And to question it is to put at risk all the relationships they’ve built up over their lifetime. To be wrong is too risky, so they simply arent. And people like Sean Hannity can say whatever they want without question.
Well said. It’s brutal to see this happen to Christian family members. It’s impossible to penetrate
suggesting he and others at the Vatican had totally lost sight of the true meaning of the bible
The parts of the bible he is talking about:
‘King David had 500 concubines, for crying out loud’
(him defending Trump in 2016, according to Wikipedia)
So this is how they justify pedophiles
I mean yeah, that’s the one thing the Pope and Trump would agree on.
Mary was, what, ~14 when their deity impregnated her, so yeah… Their baseline is not well calibrated.
And the part of the Bible he was talking about isn’t even in the Bible. It says David had concubines, but it doesn’t say how many.
It does tell us that Solomon had 300 concubines (in addition to 700 wives). Solomon expanded on his father’s excesses, so David probably had a more modest number of women in his household.
I’m sure Fox personalities wouldn’t really care that atheists know more about the Bible than they do. My money is on most of them not actually believing anything they say on TV. (Remember those text messages about Trump?)
